The Wide Open
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I'm Aisha Roscoe. This is the Sunday Story from Up First, where we go beyond the news of the day to bring you one big story. So, I'm a real city slicker, okay? I am not someone who you're going to catch out on a hiking trail, and I don't like to rough it. Not at all. Wherever I go, there needs to be running water, there needs to be a working toilet, and there should be some Wi-Fi, okay? But even though I'm not a nature girl, I do like the idea of the wilderness, and I do like to see it from afar through a window in a nice heated cabin. And you know, the thing of it is, is that the wild animals that we think of often when we're thinking of wilderness, a lot of those animals would not be here at all if it weren't for this 51-year-old federal law, the Endangered Species Act.
The Endangered Species Act is said to be one of the strongest pieces of environmental legislation we have on the books. It's been credited with saving the lives of grizzly bears and wolves that were hunted to the brink of extinction, bald eagle populations that were decimated by pesticides, and woodpeckers affected by deforestation. But there are also plenty of critics of the law, people who say it has gone too far and has caused grave harm to communities and economies across the nation. Nick Mott lives in a place where the debate over the Endangered Species Act is both relevant and very raw, Montana. Mott's a reporter with Montana Public Radio, and he's produced the podcast, The Wide Open, which explores the country's complicated and changing relationship with the Endangered Species Act. He joins me now. Hi, Nick.
Hey, Ayesha. Thanks so much for having me.
So, Nick, I'm curious, why and how did you get interested in reporting on endangered species?
You know, growing up like you, I was a bit of a city slicker. I grew up in the suburbs of Kansas City, and this stuff wasn't directly relevant to my life. But after college, I moved out west. I was doing conservation work for the government, meaning things like trail building and cutting down trees and planting native plants. And in that time, it seemed like endangered species issues were everywhere I looked. So I was trained on what to do if I came across a desert tortoise. And in diners, ranchers would sort of accost me about if I was on a tortoise crew because I was wearing a government shirt. I was – cutting down trees to restore habitat for animals like the sage-grouse, which weren't listed yet, but there was this big debate about if they would be. And I spent weeks in Death Valley, too, where I saw this tiny population of fish that exists only in this one little tiny pool that inspired one of the biggest water rights debates this country's ever seen.
It just seemed like everywhere I looked, these Endangered Species Act debates were looming.
So your podcast covers this really wide net, exploring what it means to try to balance the needs of threatened and endangered wildlife with the needs of humans like those ranchers. You start your journey in your own backyard, so to speak, up in the northern Rockies. I do wonder, like, have you encountered grizzly bears up close yet? And if so, what is that like? And are grizzly bears the ones that will try to fight humans? Are they the ones that run away?
So Grizzlies exist really close to my house and they they're the ones that they say in certain situations you should play dead. OK, but it's a lot more complicated than that.
OK, so it's more complicated. I got to keep that in mind clearly. But go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.
So I've had a handful of encounters, a couple that are really, really scary. So just about like two days after the first episode of the podcast came out. Which was about grizzly bears. I was out on a trail like less than an hour from my house with a friend. We were on sort of a trail run hike type thing going up a mountain. And we both had bear spray on our running vest. So on our chest. So bear spray is kind of like a big can high powered pepper spray. It can spray out to 30 feet. You spray it at a bear charging you supposed to stop it in its tracks. So I was 15 feet ahead of my friend and we came around what turned out to be kind of a blind corner and I heard something. So I looked up and I saw these two silhouettes, a big silhouette and a little silhouette.
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