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Up First from NPR

Trump and Iran Talks, Iran Reacts to Ship Seized, Tariff Refunds

20 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

2.393 - 2.754 Michelle Martin

The U.S.

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Chapter 2: What sparked the recent U.S. and Iran tensions?

2.894 - 6.824 Michelle Martin

fired on and seized an Iranian cargo ship that tried to break through the blockade.

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7.085 - 13.802 Leila Fadel

Iran is calling it piracy and vowing to retaliate. The ceasefire expires Wednesday and talks to extend it are falling apart.

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14.083 - 18.073 Michelle Martin

I'm Michelle Martin, that's Leila Fadal, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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Chapter 3: How is Iran responding to the U.S. seizure of its cargo ship?

21.192 - 33.229 Michelle Martin

The seizure of the ship came just hours after President Trump confirmed U.S. negotiators would be headed to Pakistan for talks. But an Iranian official says they are not attending. Both sides are accusing each other of violating the ceasefire.

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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the ceasefire expiration between the U.S. and Iran?

33.409 - 50.372 Leila Fadel

And good news for a lot of businesses impacted by President Trump's tariffs. Today, they can finally start applying for refunds on $166 billion in taxes the Supreme Court said were collected illegally. Stay with us. We'll give you the news you need to start your day.

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55.668 - 64.859 Brittany Luce

This year, for the first time in NPR's history, public media is operating without federal funding. That means NPR needs your support now more than ever.

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Chapter 5: What details are emerging from the U.S.-Iran talks in Pakistan?

65.5 - 79.617 Brittany Luce

I'm Brittany Luce from It's Been a Minute. Please do your part to keep independent, reliable news coverage strong and support the podcasts that get you through the day by making a gift for public media giving days. Head over to donate.npr.org.

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79.597 - 87.771 Leila Fadel

U.S. forces fired on an Iranian-flagged cargo vessel after it refused to comply with a blockade ordered by President Trump.

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Chapter 6: How are businesses affected by the Supreme Court's tariff refund ruling?

88.212 - 90.956 Leila Fadel

Here's sound from a video released by U.S. Central Command.

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91.337 - 96.826 Scott Horsley

Vacate your engine room. Vacate your engine room. We're prepared to subject you to disabling fire.

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Chapter 7: What steps must businesses take to apply for tariff refunds?

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VACATE YOUR ENGINE ROOM

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106.867 - 114.296 Michelle Martin

Marines ended up boarding the ship, which is now in U.S. custody. It was the latest escalation in a weekend of rising tensions and renewed threats from Trump.

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114.597 - 119.142 Leila Fadel

We are joined now by NPR senior political correspondent Tamara Keith to unpack all this.

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Chapter 8: What challenges might arise during the tariff refund process?

119.202 - 131.702 Leila Fadel

Good morning, Tam. Good morning. OK, so the ceasefire between the U.S. and Iran is set to expire Wednesday. But, Tam, this feels like it's all falling apart, is it? We'll find out.

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131.942 - 156.516 Tamara Keith

Even before the U.S. took custody of that Iranian ship, President Trump and Iranian officials had been trading accusations about violating the ceasefire. Still, Trump announced that he was sending a team of negotiators to Pakistan today for in-person talks to end the war. A White House official tells NPR the team will be led by Vice President J.D. Vance and Mideast Envoy Steve Witkoff.

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156.698 - 178.842 Tamara Keith

Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. But as of this moment, Vance hasn't yet left Washington. And in that same social media post, Trump announced the talks. He also issued new threats, quote, we're offering a very fair and reasonable deal. And I hope they take it because if they don't, the United States is going to knock out every single power plant

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179.125 - 195.075 Leila Fadel

I mean, if President Trump wants a deal so badly, why is he again threatening to bomb civilian infrastructure and targeting civilian infrastructure would be a war crime?

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195.055 - 213.462 Tamara Keith

He's trying to achieve maximum leverage with maximalist threats. But we've seen this movie before. In fact, just two weeks ago, remember the Easter post about power plant and bridge day? Then with just 90 minutes before his self-imposed deadline, Trump announced the U.S. would agree to a ceasefire.

213.962 - 221.353 Tamara Keith

That ceasefire is now getting close to expiring, and there's been very little visible progress towards a lasting peace deal.

221.613 - 227.905 Leila Fadel

Okay, so if these negotiations happen... Do you know what the Trump administration is looking to get out of them?

228.666 - 252.563 Tamara Keith

Well, the president needs the Strait of Hormuz reopened to stabilize oil markets, but it's a key piece of leverage Iran has gained in this war. Trump also set a red line at Iran's nuclear program. He doesn't want Iran enriching uranium, and he wants to take possession of the material Iran still has. But also, Trump is just looking for a way to declare a win and get out of this war.

252.623 - 262.716 Tamara Keith

He's been claiming it was nearly over for weeks now. But reality is a stubborn thing, and Iran gets a say in whether this conflict ends or not.

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