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Trump's Epstein Reversal, US Military Pressure On Venezuela, Charlotte Border Patrol

17 Nov 2025

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Chapter 1: Why did Trump reverse his stance on the Epstein files?

2.41 - 5.656 Steve Inskeep

President Trump was on the verge of losing a vote over the Epstein files.

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Then he flipped to say he favors the vote to release information about the convicted sex offender. He didn't say the Justice Department will release the files, so why the flip-flop?

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14.052 - 25.313 Steve Inskeep

I'm Steve Inskeep with A. Martinez, and this is Up First from NPR News. The U.S. military presence in the Caribbean got much larger over the weekend.

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25.343 - 29.709 Kerry Kahn

We may be having some discussions with Maduro.

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29.949 - 36.818 Steve Inskeep

The president says Venezuela's president would like to talk even as the U.S. sends its largest warships toward its coast.

36.838 - 42.345 A. Martinez

And border agents spread across Charlotte, North Carolina this weekend. Residents say they were picking people at random.

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You really need to go outside for an emergency. If you try to stay, just stay home. Be safe.

47.672 - 49.274 A. Martinez

The raids caught local officials off guard.

Chapter 2: What military actions is the U.S. taking regarding Venezuela?

49.294 - 54.321 A. Martinez

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77.015 - 81.4 A. Martinez

President Trump abruptly reversed his opinion about a vote on the Epstein files.

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81.46 - 96.999 Steve Inskeep

Trump now says he is in favor of a vote to release information about the convicted sex offender who was his friend for years. The president and his allies in Congress resisted this vote for months. It now seems that many Republicans will join Democrats in voting against the president.

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97.019 - 113.235 Steve Inskeep

So last night, the president raced to get in front of that defeat, saying he approves of the vote and, quote, we have nothing to hide. Notably, the House is voting for the Justice Department that Trump controls to release whatever information it has, which Trump's attorney general previously declined to do.

Chapter 3: What is the current situation with Maduro and U.S. military presence?

113.495 - 120.742 A. Martinez

NPR's Luke Garrett is with us. Trump is now telling Republicans they should vote to tell him to act, Luke. Why change now?

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121.262 - 139.179 Luke Garrett

Yeah, that's right. And we need to go back a few days to better understand this move and this moment. Last week, Representatives Thomas Massey of Kentucky, a Republican, and Ro Khanna of California, a Democrat, gathered 218 signatures. That's enough to force a vote on the release of the DOJ documents regarding the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

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139.58 - 158.862 Luke Garrett

And a source familiar but not authorized to share the House schedule publicly confirmed that Speaker Johnson would bring this vote up on Tuesday. This teed up a really difficult vote for Republicans who had to decide whether to vote with Trump and against the bill or vote to release the Epstein files. And this was also tough for Trump himself, who faced dozens of potential defectors.

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158.909 - 178.268 Luke Garrett

All right, so if the vote is on Tuesday, why did Trump make this Sunday late-night announcement? Well, in a social media post last night, Trump said he wanted the GOP to move on from what he called the Democratic hoax and distraction. And notably, on the Sunday morning news shows, two House Republicans publicly and loudly rebuked Trump over the Epstein files.

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On ABC News, Massey took a warning shot against Trump's legacy and any GOP member willing to vote against his bill.

Chapter 4: How are residents of Charlotte reacting to Border Patrol operations?

184.958 - 206.331 Luke Garrett

In 2030, he's not going to be the president, and you will have voted to protect pedophiles if you don't vote to release these files, and the president can't protect you. Massey then said he believed 100 or more House Republicans would vote for the Epstein file bill, even though only a handful signed on to force the ballot. Wasn't one of them Georgia Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene?

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206.311 - 213.204 Luke Garrett

Yeah, that's right. And Trump recently called her a traitor and revoked his political endorsement from her after she became more critical of his policies.

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213.605 - 223.003 Marjorie Taylor Greene

When asked why she and Trump had this falling out, Greene told CNN, Unfortunately, it has all come down to the Epstein files, and that is shocking.

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223.287 - 233.289 Luke Garrett

Now, both Massey and Green said they don't believe Trump himself will be implicated in the files, but these public breaks with the president represented a growing and powerful fissure in the party.

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233.59 - 239.423 A. Martinez

Okay, so now that Trump is telling all Republicans to vote for the Epstein file bill, what happens now?

239.656 - 255.555 Luke Garrett

Well, my sources say the House vote is still set for Tuesday. And with Trump giving Republicans permission to support it and every Democrat signing the discharge petition, this bill has a really good chance of advancing. In the Senate, it remains unclear if and when Majority Leader John Thune will bring this up for a vote.

255.535 - 273.139 Luke Garrett

But again, Trump's endorsement of the bill does not hurt, and Thune has said in the last few weeks he likes this idea of greater transparency. But even if it passes through Congress and the White House, lawmakers Massey and Khanna were warning yesterday that the files might still be kept from the public. So after all that, how could that be possible?

273.119 - 280.289 Luke Garrett

Well, Massey and Khanna raised alarm over the new Justice Department investigation into the Epstein case, something it declined to do a few months back.

Chapter 5: What sparked the recent immigration crackdown in Charlotte?

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Trump referenced this in his post last night. He said his DOJ is, quote, looking at various Democrat operatives, Bill Clinton, Reid Hoffman, Larry Summers, etc., and their relationships to Epstein, end quote. Massey told ABC News that these investigations could mask the documents further. If they have ongoing investigations in certain areas, those documents can't be released.

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301.801 - 315.086 Luke Garrett

So this might be a big smokescreen. The Justice Department has not yet responded to my request for comment on whether an investigation would in fact bar them from releasing these documents, even if a law told them to do so. That's NPR's Luke Garrett. Luke, thanks a lot.

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315.446 - 334.244 A. Martinez

You bet. The Trump administration is putting more pressure on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. Over the weekend, the U.S. 's most advanced aircraft carrier arrived in the Caribbean, joining nearly a dozen other naval warships that are already there.

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334.384 - 341.315 Steve Inskeep

The president has been weighing military options against Venezuela, and he told reporters last night that Maduro appears ready to talk.

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341.675 - 349.247 Kerry Kahn

We may be having some discussions with Maduro, and we'll see how that turns out.

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They would like to talk.

Chapter 6: What is the response from local officials about the Border Patrol actions?

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The U.S. has been blowing up small boats leaving Venezuela and other South American countries claiming they are transporting drugs. The open question is what else the U.S. means to do.

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361.549 - 370.204 A. Martinez

For more, we go to NPR's Kerry Kahn, who is in Bogota, Colombia. So, Kerry, what has Maduro said about the buildup off the coast of Venezuela?

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370.707 - 381.101 Kerry Kahn

Over the weekend, he gathered supporters and he announced this plan to rally civilians to defend Venezuela against attack. But listen to this. He told the crowd he just wants peace, peace, peace.

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Peace, peace, peace. Everything for peace, he says, like the John Lennon song, Imagine, which he then began to sing in English. Imagine us people.

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Yesterday, the U.S. said it will designate the Cartel de los Soles, which they claim Maduro leads as a foreign terrorist organization. Maduro denies he's a trafficker.

Chapter 7: How are immigrant communities feeling amid the crackdown?

409.067 - 417.066 A. Martinez

That designation would allow the U.S. military to target Maduro's assets in Venezuela. So what are people in Venezuela saying about any imminent U.S. strike?

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417.046 - 443.48 Kerry Kahn

Well, the thing is, I can't get into the country. We've been asking for a visa for months, and I'm waiting here in neighboring Colombia with our latest ask. The country's opposition leader, though, Maria Corina Machado, she put out quite an interesting message yesterday urging Maduro's security apparatus to defy his orders. Bajen las armas. She says, lower your arms, don't attack your people.

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443.58 - 464.499 Kerry Kahn

She says, the decisive hour in Venezuela's liberation is coming, and she urged people to be heroes. Machado has been living in hiding since last year's elections that were widely condemned, and many, including the USA, were stolen by Maduro. But there's a lot of talk now that she actually left the country and is on her way to Oslo to accept the Nobel Peace Prize next month.

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464.94 - 467.522 Kerry Kahn

It's unclear if she will be allowed back in the country.

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467.502 - 475.014 A. Martinez

Now, you were just in Ecuador yesterday. That's neighboring Venezuela and Colombia, where voters there rejected a referendum that would have let the U.S.

Chapter 8: What are the implications of Trump's endorsement of the Epstein file bill?

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set up military bases to fight against drug traffickers. Why the no vote?

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479.1 - 497.564 Kerry Kahn

It was really a bit of a surprise given just the surge in drug gang-related violence there. It's just overtaken that country. And multiple Trump officials have been visiting Ecuador recently. They've been backing the young conservative president there, who is a staunch Trump ally. The measure included rewriting the Constitution.

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497.644 - 520.576 Kerry Kahn

And for many, like this no voter, Rosita Guchemillo, a 48-year-old homemaker in Quito, this was really a no confidence vote for President Daniel Novoa. She says, we just don't trust him anymore. She says he'll rewrite the Constitution to favor himself, and she didn't want to give the U.S. what she said would have been a blank check.

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520.596 - 525.083 A. Martinez

That's NPR's Carrie Khan in Bogota, Colombia. Carrie, thanks. You're welcome.

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533.382 - 542.631 Steve Inskeep

Border Patrol agents fanned out across Charlotte, North Carolina over the weekend, detaining people outside supermarkets, laundromats, auto shops, even a church.

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It's the latest city to see a federal immigration crackdown.

546.055 - 548.737 A. Martinez

Similar operations came in Chicago and Los Angeles.

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Nick DeLaCanal with member station WFAE has been following this and joins us once again. Nick, welcome back.

555.684 - 570.334 Nick DeLaCanal

Thank you. What's it like to be around Charlotte right now? Well, we started to see this crackdown Saturday morning when the city woke up to dozens of Border Patrol agents driving through Charlotte in unmarked vans, especially along the city's major immigrant corridors.

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