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HTDE: Torches and Ski Jumps

04 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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16.737 - 35.943 Peter Sagal

Hey, everybody, it's Peter. Coming up, our sister podcast, How to Do Everything, is back. They're once again tackling your trickiest questions with a lineup of special guests and overqualified experts, including your favorite Winter Olympians. If you have enjoyed listening to How to Do Everything, be sure to follow the show in their own feed and happy listening.

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36.384 - 45.952 Mike Danforth

The Winter Olympics start this Friday in Milan, Cortina. We would play the Olympic theme right now, but we're not allowed, so you're hearing this.

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46.553 - 55.567 Ian Chillag

U.S. ski legend Ted Ligety is there. He's covering downhill skiing for NBC. He's online with us now. So, Ted, you just got in, right?

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55.828 - 69.754 Ted Ligety

Yes, we got it flew into Milan yesterday. I'm up in Bormia right now. I actually got on the race hill today. It snowed a good six, eight inches. So it was more of a powder day than real training for that. It's up there today. It's a lot of snow to clear off.

70.035 - 71.398 Mike Danforth

Did you ski it today?

71.438 - 73.782 Ted Ligety

I did ski down the downhill track, yeah.

74.083 - 78.813 Mike Danforth

So if you have a gold medal, they just let you go down the slope whenever you want? Is that how it works?

78.833 - 83.021 Ted Ligety

Yeah, we're in Italy. They know who I am. I had the right credential.

Chapter 2: What insights does Ted Ligety share about preparing for the Winter Olympics?

110.923 - 114.028 Mike Danforth

It doesn't look fun the way you're doing it.

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114.048 - 125.605 Ted Ligety

So I would say if you're really on top of it, if you're on the top of your game, it's fun. Nowadays when I look at it, I'm five years removed from racing, there are very few days that look fun. Most of it looks pretty scary.

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126.587 - 133.216 Ian Chillag

Do you feel that, that lack of training after five years, that gap? Do your legs and knees feel like, oh, dude.

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133.657 - 147.855 Ted Ligety

Yeah, my wife jokes that it looks like somebody popped a balloon when she looks at my butt now. I'm definitely not anywhere close to as strong or prepared to do any of that stuff as I once was.

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148.336 - 161.377 Mike Danforth

I don't know quite how to ask this, but one thing I'm curious about when I watch competitive skiing is it seems like the way you win is by pushing as close to the limit of failure as possible.

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Yeah.

162.098 - 165.746 Mike Danforth

At any given time, how close are you to crashing?

167.27 - 190.527 Ted Ligety

Anybody who wins had to take some risk. People who risk it too much have very short careers or short seasons. So you're always trying to find that right line there. And In a downhill or a Super G course, like five degrees of difference over a roll can be the difference between being on the perfect line and winning and, you know, burritoing yourself up in the fence and ending your season.

190.607 - 192.149 Ted Ligety

So it's a fine line.

Chapter 3: How does Ted Ligety describe the experience of skiing an Olympic downhill course?

319.264 - 337.716 Ted Ligety

It was like my first time ever rooming by myself. And I slept through the first race there. And, you know, I got woken up by my physio and a security guard, like thinking that something happened to me. And then the next day I won my first World Cup. So maybe I needed that extra bit of rest and was going on the special muscle memory there.

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338.577 - 341.843 Mike Danforth

Wait, you missed a race you were supposed to be at?

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342.124 - 353.406 Ted Ligety

Yeah, I slept through the race. I woke up at noon. The race had already happened. And then the next day, luckily there's two races in Korea at that time, and I won the next one. That was my first World Cup victory.

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353.686 - 363.046 Mike Danforth

I just think about, like, I've... and been like five minutes late to a Zoom call. But to miss a race at the Olympics, like what?

363.066 - 371.284 Ted Ligety

Well, this is a World Cup race, so the race after the Olympics. But World Cup races are the same level of competition as the Olympics.

371.305 - 374.271 Mike Danforth

So when you realize what had happened...

374.251 - 378.539 Ted Ligety

Oh, I was pretty pissed at both myself, but also our hotel was the bottom of the mountain.

378.579 - 397.392 Ted Ligety

So, you know, at seven o'clock in the morning when I didn't show up for breakfast and at eight o'clock in the morning when I wasn't there for warm up and nine o'clock in the morning when I wasn't there for inspection, there's a lot of like touch points that somebody should have realized that I hadn't shown up yet instead of noon after the race is already done.

Chapter 4: What techniques do skiers use to manage the risks of competitive skiing?

524.998 - 541.82 Ted Ligety

Backslap is you're like laying in the backseat and like your back slaps against the snow. And then you might be like... If that happens, you just pop back up and keep going? In the perfect world, yeah. In the less perfect world, then no, you don't pop right back up.

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543.226 - 546.038 Ian Chillag

Well, Ted, thank you so much for talking us through all of this.

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546.601 - 547.324 Ted Ligety

Yeah, this is fun.

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550.763 - 552.886 Ian Chillag

This is How to Do Everything. I'm Mike.

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553.266 - 567.944 Mike Danforth

And I'm Ian. As we speak, at this very moment, the Olympic torch is making its way to Milan for the opening ceremonies on Friday. It's been carried by hundreds of athletes and stars throughout Greece and Italy.

568.304 - 575.353 Ian Chillag

Everyone from the two guys from heated rivalry to an Italian basketball player none of us have ever heard of.

575.333 - 585.081 Mike Danforth

Mike and I once talked to, in our opinion, the greatest torchbearer ever. We're going to play that for you now. Sir Patrick Stewart, what was that experience like?

585.642 - 617.811 Sir Patrick Stewart

It was a thrilling and really very emotional experience. I was not prepared for that. The sidewalks were deep right up to the walls of the shops and buildings and stores, people hanging out of windows on the scaffolding of building sites. on rooftops even, the enthusiasm and excitement and the hunger for people to see the torch and to touch it and to get close to it was quite endless.

619.175 - 629.409 Mike Danforth

We watched some video of you carrying the torch, and you looked pretty fit. I wondered, did you work out? Did you prepare for this, knowing you were going to be running with the torch?

Chapter 5: How do Olympic athletes cope with extreme weather conditions during competitions?

796.69 - 802.737 Sir Patrick Stewart

But it has been decommissioned, so you can no longer light it. It won't flame anymore.

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803.618 - 811.587 Ian Chillag

Well, now, we're a how-to show. So now, if you could, could you kind of give us, like, maybe a couple tips on how to carry the Olympic torch?

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812.14 - 837.367 Sir Patrick Stewart

Yes. First of all, with gratitude, I would say, that you're doing it at all. And then I think it needs a good arm elevation with a slight bend in the arm. But for safety reasons, you need to have it well above your head. However, I would recommend... You guys are young, aren't you? You're really youthful. Oh, yeah. You could probably keep the torch in the same hand.

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837.387 - 847.512 Sir Patrick Stewart

I had to switch hands two or three times because... I'm holding it in my hand now, and I would say it weighs six pounds. Oh, all right.

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848.473 - 848.814 Ian Chillag

Okay.

849.916 - 852.26 Sir Patrick Stewart

You're not impressed, are you? I can hear you're not impressed.

852.28 - 854.905 Ian Chillag

Well, you're going to feel that after some distance, I would think.

854.925 - 865.603 Sir Patrick Stewart

Exactly. And I would say maybe the one other piece of advice I would give, and I think this is very important, try really hard not to fall over.

866.09 - 867.892 Mike Danforth

That seems good.

Chapter 6: What unique strategies do ski jumpers use to leverage jet lag?

1021.459 - 1031.814 Mike Danforth

Yeah. All right. We asked him about this thing that we had read about how ski jumpers try to get jet lagged because it actually helps calm their anxiety.

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1032.194 - 1039.645 Ian Chillag

We have a ski jumper on the line with us now to ask him about this. Kevin Bickner is on the team in Milan.

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1039.965 - 1041.027 Mike Danforth

Kevin, is this a real thing?

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1041.468 - 1070.888 Kevin Bickner

I wouldn't necessarily say it. that the tactic is using it to an advantage in the sense that you want to be jet lagged for your competition. One thing I did do in 2018 was our events were so late at night. I thought, why adjust all the way over to where we are? You get home from your event, I wouldn't hop into bed and go to sleep and get an early start the next morning. I would then

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1071.34 - 1083.941 Kevin Bickner

Hang out and do stuff. Maybe go eat dinner after midnight. Get to bed at like 3 o'clock in the morning. And then I would sleep in until 10 or 11 in the morning.

1084.542 - 1091.974 Ian Chillag

So you just maintain your USA sleep schedule. You're on that clock. That particular event, yes.

1092.074 - 1092.775 Kevin Bickner

Can we...

1093.092 - 1110.99 Mike Danforth

I think this is a sport where when I watch it, when I watch the Olympics, I'm wondering what is going through an athlete's head through the whole process. So when you're about to go, tell me what's in your head.

1112.112 - 1122.899 Kevin Bickner

Typically, I would think of the changes I have to make on the hill to make my jump better. to have a further jump, a jump that's more technically correct.

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