Send us a textSHOW NOTES:0:00 artist & attorney Gina McKlveen1:05 artist & retired judge Jerry Alonzo - the impact of depression3:00 documentary American Symphony 3:50 Suleika Jaouad - release she experienced by painting about cancer 6:00 Alonzo’s “Out of Balance” 6:40 “Civic Sacrement"8:20 woodwork during Alonzo’s time as a judge 9:00 “The Jury Box” 10:45 “The Judgment” 11:45 “Justice is God’s Plumb Line” 12:30 Environmental works like “Monstronse” 13:15 “Justice?” 14:15 “Passage”14:40 “Faltering”16:00 “Arc”16:25 asylum work inspired “Matthew 25” 20:30 importance of leaning into the pain21:35 Emily Gould’s comments23:30 American Symphony - leaning into anxiety through art26:25 McKlveen’s response to Alonzo’s work26:45 “Upturned House” by Phyllida Barlow 27:20 “Inflated Balloons” 27:50 Carnegie International 28:40 McKlveen’s work leaning into grief and loss29:35 “Fisherman on the Roof” 37:45 “Mermaid Mama”39:25 “Stay Wild”40:15 “Heather’s Mama”42:00 McKlveen’s grandparents44:50 portraiture versus still life works47:00 other artists who created still life paintings as portraits, e.g., Van Gogh48:30 Alonzo’s response to McKlveen49:05 Gould’s response to McKlveen49:45 Oluwatobi Aluko’s response51:00 McKlveen’s planned portrait of grandmother with post box like Mona LisaPlease share your comments and/or questions at [email protected] by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at [email protected]. Thanks so much for listening!© Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

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