WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp
Journalist Chris Sharp Exposes AARO Before Trump's Big Decision
25 Feb 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Can you tell us how you landed an interview with Tim Phillips, the former number two guy at Arrow?
He said that some of the things that we're seeing came from highly qualified observers, and they saw some truly, truly astonishing performance capabilities, things that no known human system could behave like.
They're not going to give it up easily, you know, unless a president stays on top of it. and forces the issue, he's not going to get to the bottom of it.
A lot of people are thinking on Tuesday or Wednesday that there's going to be during the State of the Union, there's either going to be the words UFOs in it or there's not. And I would suspect that there's two speeches that have been written and that they're debating right now at a very high level with the comms people. I would just suspect. This is Weaponized.
So, Jeremy, you remember not that long ago, we would talk with Chris Sharp, a talented young journalist who's trying to get his head around the UFO issue and all the different tentacles it has. And we would help him out a little bit. And now the tables have turned and we have to grovel to him that maybe he'll share some tidbits or scraps or breadcrumbs or something like that. Remember that?
Man, I love that kid.
He turned from like, have you seen the Mogwai become a gremlin because they ate after midnight? They look like so cute and cuddly and you underestimate them. And then they're this vicious, ferocious. Everybody got to watch gremlins. Yeah, man. Chris Sharp is sharp. He is a dagger. He is the dagger that's going to deflate the disinfo balloon. What he's done is amazing.
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Chapter 2: What led to Chris Sharp's interview with Tim Phillips?
Chris, welcome back to Weaponized. Can you tell us how you landed an interview with Tim Phillips, the former number two guy at Arrow?
Firstly, thank you so much for the praise. I remember growing up watching you on television, George, and I remember sleeping on the couch with my family because we were homeless and watching Jeremy and Lazar on Joe Rogan. So I've certainly come a long way. So... Yes, I messaged Tim Phillips, the former deputy director and former acting director of Arrow on LinkedIn.
Just asked him if I could potentially interview him. And he said yes. So, yeah, it was it was actually quite easy. Any conditions placed on the interview about where you can go, what you can ask? No, he actually didn't know who I was.
I remember when he got the job, Jeremy, you and I were told by somebody, hey, that's a pretty good guy. And we're thinking, oh, great. This is great. We're going to have a good, honest broker of information on the inside and arrow. And then, you know, the next time we really start hearing things from him, he sounds like the spawn of Kirkpatrick, like he was his illegitimate kid or something.
Because everything that came out of him might as well have been from Kirkpatrick. Chris, do you... Did you get a sense that maybe he's freer to speak now that he's out from under the umbrella of Arrow and is more willing to engage? Or is he the same guy that was so difficult to deal with while he had the job?
Yes. Firstly, I... I did like him. He was giving up his free time. I think anyone who gives up their free time, you know, for an interview, sit down with someone when they're not going to earn any money or anything from it. And, you know, he told me it was his anniversary as well. So he was speaking to me on his anniversary. So, you know, firstly, props to him for speaking to me.
And he wasn't nasty. I pressed him a few times and he didn't get too defensive or anything. or hostile with me um and yeah i thank him for that however um i did notice things when speaking to him um it sounds like um he's describing let's put it like this it sounds like he's um describing a dog He's saying it's furry, it woofs, it's got a wiggly tail, but he's not going to name it a dog.
And this is what I believe he is doing when it comes to UFOs. And it kind of takes me back to Obama saying, oh, aliens are real, and him getting in trouble over that. I don't know, maybe there's a precondition you can...
describe uap you can say that they've got out of this world characteristics that you cannot say that they're alien or you think they're alien i mean that's the only way to explain it um so yeah we had a pretty interesting um interview
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Chapter 3: What surprising capabilities did AARO identify in UAPs?
He's being a little more open with you than he has been with other journalists. I don't mean to attack the man. I just don't understand the lies coming from Arrow in the past. There's great footage of UAP. They shouldn't have to come from from journalists like me and George. So my question is, when he said space, did he deliver to you? Did he mean orbit, deep space or near Earth?
I pressed him on it and he got uncomfortable. It felt like he got uncomfortable talking about it. But he said that a small number of cases involved reported manoeuvres from highly trained observers of aircraft that basically could perform manoeuvres that aircraft and spacecraft we know of do not behave in. He said that. He also said that
some of the truly extraordinary abilities that he saw were ability to stop very quickly accelerate quickly right angle turns and again you know things that aircraft and spacecraft we know don't behave that way um so so that's what he was saying to me um so you know who also he said that
Some of the things that we're seeing came from highly qualified observers, and they saw some truly, truly astonishing performance capabilities, things that no known human system could behave like. Wow. So he is being more open. Yeah, I mean, when you're saying that, because he also said, you know, we found no evidence that these were extraterrestrial or non-human intelligence.
But again, this is why I say that he is describing a dog without calling it a dog.
Didn't Dylan Borland explain to the world when he raised his hand under oath about that problem with them saying that exact sentence? Do you remember that, Chris?
Yeah.
No, what was that again? Sorry, what was that again? Insert Dylan Borland right now. Dylan Borland raised his hand in Congress and explained to the entire world why they get away with saying we found no evidence of extraterrestrial life. Because they don't know where they're from specifically.
So they can use that as a shell game like Susan Goh, who's written you extensively, Chris, that their parsing of words is so important. And you've experienced that. So I should not explain that to you. You explain that to the weaponized audience.
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Chapter 4: How does Tim Phillips describe the nature of UAPs?
It's like, how have you not seen that? And he even said that he worked with James Capa. He met with him, I think, once a week. And he was saying James Capa is someone that he has the utmost respect for. Yeah, I think he's a great professional. I said, OK, well, James Capra has said this, that there is a UAP program run by the U.S. Air Force.
So you being someone who has the utmost respect for him and admires him and worked under him at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence when he was there. What are you going to ask James? And maybe that will change your mind. And he said, yeah, I'll give James a call. I said, yeah, please do. And please get back to me to tell me what he told you and what your response is now.
I think that's interesting. And I'd like to follow up with him on that.
Yeah. And we should back up. We're grilling you about somebody from Arrow. You have a good rapport. We're not, you know, trying to hurt this individual's credibility. We're just, you know, I am a little bit more aggressive about it. I'm a little bit pissed, right? George and I have been attacked. So when we're talking with you, I get it, man.
He seems like a nice dude and you should follow up with him because I think it's beautiful what you got from him. So I'm not trying to attack anybody. You're doing great journalism and I hope he keeps talking with you. He seems probably, he's got kids and a wife and he's got a real life. So keep talking with him.
And yeah, I mean, even when he was like, you know, at one point he was like, what's your interest in this topic, by the way? And I was like, well, I'm a journalist. I write for Liberation Times and occasionally I write for the Daily Mail as well. And I was basically saying that I come at this from like I basically I said that.
I think there's a lot of media out there that say that they're fair and balanced, but it's very difficult to be fair and balanced to the media. I'm just very, very honest to say that I'm reporting this from the whistleblower's, the witness's perspective. I said that I'm friends with people like Lou, for instance.
And then he went on the tangent, basically saying how Lou is a grifter and stuff like that. And again, this felt really scripted to me. I didn't even feel it because, you know, I love Lou and my friends and stuff, you know, and I usually want to protect them. But when he said that, it just like felt like a script and I didn't take it personally.
I'm like, yeah, it felt like that's what I'm supposed to say, you know?
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Chapter 5: What challenges does AARO face in transparency and public trust?
So I got in touch with Susan Goff, said, oh, can I get a chance to interview John Kozlowski? And she was like, no, we're not doing that right now.
Any comment on this report that's many, many months overdue? I mean, they don't have a whole lot of deadlines for the entire organization. Where the hell is it?
Nothing. Again, it's been complete wall-to-wall silence from Susan Goff. I really pushed her to comment on the video that you guys released over Syria. I got that out of her. I only got that because I threatened to make official complaints.
against her so I got that up her but I've got lots of missed questions including in terms of this report and all she'll come back with is we have no news for you at the moment on that report so I don't know what's going on but it's failing So, yeah, they just got missing. I do not know what's happened to the Arrow.
I don't know what's happening with the new deputy defence, deputy secretary of war. I don't know what's going on with him because at least Kathleen Hicks, I mean, she had all her force, but at least she made sure that the Arrow was doing its job. But the new deputy secretary of defence doesn't seem to be doing that.
I don't know if you got into this, but any questions about, for example, does Arrow have a media outreach resources? Do you have somebody out there on X or Twitter or Instagram who speaks on behalf of the agency and who explains UFO cases or videos?
No, we didn't get into that. But I'm, you know, as a comms person myself, that is something that is severely lacking. I mean, they need someone to break it all down and stuff like that for them so that it actually gets communicated properly in terms of what they're doing. Why are you not releasing videos like Jeremy and George in terms of high quality showing truly anomalous behavior?
Why are they not releasing those videos? That's what I don't know, because he's telling me that there are these cases where they've got these extreme performance characteristics, but where are the videos? I've seen extreme characteristics from you guys in terms of the last video that you guys released. Why aren't we getting that from the Arrow?
So that's something that's severely, severely lacking.
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Chapter 6: How does AARO process and analyze UFO sightings?
You know, Kirkpatrick said he had access to everything. He hasn't. I think the US and the President of the United States needs a full understanding of what is going on in the underwater domain.
I have one last question, then, Jeremy, you could take it away. A lot of whistleblowers and witnesses came forward. Arrow invited them to come forward, tell what they know. They did it in what they thought was their patriotic duty, came in, gave statements, were there available for questions.
They feel betrayed because, in essence, Arrow has said we didn't learn anything worthwhile from these guys whatsoever. We don't believe them. And I'm not sure how they could expect anyone ever to come forward again and be trusted by Arrow. Did you get into that at all? Did you have any?
Yeah, we did. So I asked him about Michael Herrera, for instance. He said that he'd seen a craft and he didn't mention that that craft was extraterrestrial. He just said it was a craft, you know, an exotic craft or something like that. But in the report, Arrow had called it extraterrestrial. which he never did. So I really push him on that. He was like, Oh, I didn't do all that case.
So, you know, I wouldn't be in a position to speak, but he did say that, Oh, what we did is we made sure that we got the witness statements and we gave those statements to the witnesses to sign. Um, so they knew what was going, you know, what they said, like they would provide them a statement and say, this is what you said. Can you sign it just to make sure it was accurate?
That's why he was conveying to me. And he said that everyone who was interviewed got one of those, um, and that they signed it to make sure that nothing was being taken out of context. That's how he conveyed it to me.
Yeah, and then it was directly put into the shredder? What?
What happened to it? This is it. And the fact that he didn't deal, well, he says he didn't deal with the Herrera case. Yeah, it's disappointing that I couldn't get a good answer on that one.
There was somebody on the TV show I did, UFO Revolution, who you hear him explain what happened, how they treated his case. Like the people that called him, the general and the other guy, like they were great. But there was zero follow up. And he was very disgruntled about it because these guys put it on the line to talk with him. And it just seemed like they were sucking up for counterintel.
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Chapter 7: What did Tim Phillips reveal about the UAP program's limitations?
You know, you've heard these quotes that he said, you know, and... It sounds to me that he's leaving very, very little room for an explanation that could be human in origin. So, but he is not willing for some reason to go as far as to say, at least say, I think it is extraterrestrial. I think it's non-human because we can't do this.
Do you think he was talked to like Representative Burchett was by the quote unquote suits? Do you think he was talked to like probably Obama was when he definitively said aliens are real with no caveat? Do you think that he has somebody calling him like our other friends have?
I think it is because. Straight away, when an official who's very, very senior says that there's aliens in a straight face... Well, OK, that's going to cause a big story. It could potentially lead to uncertainty in the stock market. It could lead to destabilization of politics. So when you say that as a politician or someone very, very senior, a position to know.
That's when all hell could break loose when you'll say this is alien or there are aliens or something like that.
So what about what about Trump then? What about Trump saying that it's classified? Aliens are classified. That's what he said, right? Am I getting that wrong?
No, you're not. So this is why I believe what he said was such a big deal. Basically, it seems to me, like I was saying, it seems to me that they're able to go so far, but once they use the word alien, that's when they go over the line, basically.
I think Trump did not specify what it was that Obama said that was across the line.
Right, but what did we say? If you look at the question...
Yeah. Well, you know, he said a remark about there's no aliens underground at Area 51. Maybe it's the mention of 51 or I can't imagine how saying that aliens are real would possibly be a violation of national security protocols. We don't know. I'm curious, Chris, and I'm not asking you to be a spokesperson for the entire UK, but how how is that that back and forth Trump and Obama on this issue?
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Chapter 8: How does the current political climate affect UFO disclosures?
and forces the issue, he's not going to get to the bottom of it. I mean, you know, we've had a lot of presidents since Harry Truman. All of them had varying degrees of interest in the UFO issue. Maybe George H.W. Bush is the guy that knew the most, but they've made promises similar to what Trump has done, and then it goes nowhere unless somebody in his administration...
is appointed to stay on top of this and make people comply with the order and go through the process of declassifying stuff, then maybe it goes nowhere. But even if that happens, the fact that the president says, hey, people are interested in it, they have a right to know, and we're going to do what we can to release the files, that's a big deal, even if we don't get the files.
Shout out to our pal Peter from Fox News because he was on that airplane with Trump. And he just asked the question that we all wanted to know. And I think you'll agree with this, George, is that like our representatives for decades, they've been assessing the potential threat of NHI and UFO, you know, for American sovereignty. I mean, they've been assessing that for so long.
I understand why the secrecy. But, you know, we're and they were wisely compartmentalizing everything to protect the and detect competitive advantage and strategic surprise. So now kind of part of that self-preservation, people are more wise to it now and people have recognized that there's substance to this. So I really think that that time has now passed. and that we need a people's champion.
We need somebody to say the quiet part out loud. And it might be for selfish reasons. It might be to distract or it might be, I don't care. But if somebody says it, imagine State of the Union, they bring up UFOs. I mean, man, you would be the people's champ because everybody already knows. UFOs are real. You've been lying about it. We get why you're lying about it. So I don't know.
Is it weird for me to be optimistic about, maybe not the State of the Union, but that we're on a course, a collision course with truth? Am I stupid for being optimistic?
We've had this discussion before. I am encouraged by the fact that the current president is talking about UAP and giving a directive to federal agencies. That's a big moment, even if it leads nowhere. I am pessimistic about how it ultimately plays out. Because the people who keep the secrets do not want it out.
And there will be all kinds of witnesses who will come to the president and tell him why it's a really bad idea to release this and that. Oh, boy, we can't release this. It's going to reveal we have X technology. There'll be a lot of excuses and a lot of whispering in his ear about why it's a bad idea. I hope he sticks to it. I hope he stays on top of it.
The problem is the president, whether you think it's everything is a distraction from something else or not, every single day there's something new on his plate. That's a potential world crisis. So it's hard to stay focused. The same thing is true for Congress. They got so much stuff to deal with.
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