Web3 with Sam Kamani
371: What Founders Still Get Wrong in Crypto with Guest speaker William Quigley from WAX + Tether
22 Mar 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello innovators, entrepreneurs and risk takers. Welcome to another episode of Web3 with Sam Kamani podcast. And today is a special episode because I am interviewing co-founder of Vax and co-founder of Tether. Who doesn't know Tether in our space? Everyone knows Tether.
His name is William Quigley and he is going to be sharing about kind of you can call it like the state of the industry or the state of...
web3 as things are happening so this podcast is absolutely essential for any founder because we talk about a lot of the things that founders should be paying attention to how they should be thinking how startups are built and what mistakes established companies make as well as
so much more this conversation is nearly an hour long because there were just so many things in this that we had to cover as well as it felt like we could have talked for another two three hours because he just has so much knowledge and so many insights that were worth sharing about
so as always nothing that we talk about here should be taken as investment advice or financial advice and please like share subscribe and follow with all that out of the way let's get into it So William, welcome to the show.
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Chapter 2: How did William Quigley get involved in the crypto space?
Looking forward to talking with you and learning about your background as well as all your experience in this space. Especially I know how many years you have spent in this industry and all the skills, knowledge and experience you bring to this. So to get started, how did you first get involved to do all things with Web3, blockchain and crypto?
Well, I've never really understood what Web3 is, but regarding crypto, that came out of my partner and I's business in virtual item trading, video game virtual item trading. So a lot of people in the early days of crypto came from our industry.
And for your audience, if they play video games and there's virtual items in those games, some minority of video game publishers allow people to trade the virtual items that they either buy or they earn. And so we ran platforms that allowed people to buy and sell those.
And it's in many ways similar to how people use crypto because people would use video game virtual items as a, as a money substitute, particularly people who are in areas where it's hard to get banking or hard to get digital payments reliably. And so that experience made us
probably more open-minded to the idea of crypto than other people because we already understood that there was a need for a internet-based payment system.
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Chapter 3: Why do gaming platforms resist asset portability and user ownership?
So that's how we originally got excited about it or interested. And then once we were in it, we realized, okay, there's a lot to build. So we just started building all the things we thought would be...
Fantastic. I had a very, very civilian experience when I ran the esports platform where like PlayStation, Xbox, Steam, everyone had, and every game had their own currency points, everything. And they were like, okay, why can't people move? Why are people logged in? This doesn't make sense. You lose your assets. You lose your everything.
Chapter 4: What problem did stablecoins like Tether aim to solve?
Once you move platforms, move games, this is your own asset that you should have control over. I mean, this was 2017, 18 era when I was in that industry. And that's what got me also interested in it. But at the same time, I didn't realize one very essential fact that the platforms wanted their consumers or their users or players to be logged in.
It was in the interest of the end user, but not in the interest of the platform. They did everything. So it's like, why would they adopt? And that's why we have seen that, you know, This lag in the utility versus adoption. Yeah, what are your thoughts about that?
Chapter 5: How does Tether's model differ from algorithmic stablecoins?
They're exactly what you just said. Yeah, the publishers don't like it. And I've made the arguments to publishers over the years why tradability is a good thing. They have valid points as well. Now, some of them worry about it. Some gamers think it degrades from the quality of the game. I never bought that argument.
But I do buy the argument that if you are a very controlling oriented game publisher, Then having a marketplace for your items would create an additional level of complexity in how you price and distribute your in-game items. So, you know, I can see both sides of it, but at the end of the day, the users want to trade.
Chapter 6: What is the future outlook for stablecoins in the next few years?
Yeah, absolutely. And when it comes to the gaming side of things, of course, I have a lot of other topics I want to tackle as well. But just to finish this, the gaming side of things off, what are the key sort of changes or trends have you seen in the recent times? Is there adoption increasing of blockchain-based assets or is it static?
I would say it's been a little surprising to me, but it's been very slow recently. the, uh, the adoption and I, and that is the adoption of video game platforms that are used blockchains in some way. Yes.
venture capitalists who've never really understood video gaming to begin with they got confused early on because they didn't know anything about blockchain so call it when they entered the world in like 2021 they thought the games were supposed to be built in blockchains and that was a painful time for me to try to explain to these people that no You can't run a game on a blockchain.
That doesn't make any sense.
Chapter 7: Why do most internal innovations fail in startups?
You could have NFTs, you know, virtual items or payment based systems using a blockchain. There's value in that. But so there was a lot of confusion about what a video game blockchain concept even looks like. And I think. We've never figured out how to use a blockchain within a game that is exciting for the users and the players of the game.
But that doesn't lead to behaviors that take away from the entertainment value of the game where people primarily just focus on hoarding in-game virtual items, for instance, which, you know, does detract from the game. So we, we haven't figured it out yet. I think we will eventually, but right now, no. And therefore you don't see a huge upswell.
in blockchain-based video games, because there's just not a compelling reason right now, given the design concepts that we're aware of and we've tried.
Chapter 8: What insights does William have about starting a new business today?
Yeah, absolutely. The one place where I have seen uptake is like prediction markets. I mean, in a way, it is a game. You could call it a game. And that's because of the financial nature or gambling side of it.
Yeah, I wouldn't call prediction markets a game personally. I'd say it would call it entertainment for sure. Yeah. But in the traditional sense of what makes a video game, I don't think of them the same way. They're just entertainment and the entertainment is speculation.
Yes, it is more on the speculation.
Which is, you know, a very persistent theme in online business. People really like the idea of that kind of entertainment experience. Don't, however, believe that prediction markets will ever be sort of multi-hundred billion dollar enterprises. I see them much more of a niche. Because it does take a fair amount of effort to place a bet or even create one. And it's also, it's irregular, right?
It's not some, with the exception of, let's say, guessing weather, which is a pastime of people in prediction markets. There's just not enough day by day, sort of minute by minute engagement you get from it. They tend to really be popular around elections, right? Yes. But they're not like a, they're not as big as one might think. If you think about like. Absolutely. Right.
Like, oh, we can make a bet on anything, you know, we'll. The Dow Jones industrial average close with an odd or an even number, right? You could do it on anything. So I think they are a really good use case for crypto and just as a general entertainment experience, but it's not a huge industry.
Yeah, absolutely. I think, I mean, just my two cents, I think it will eventually replace the sports betting industry, but that's also not as big. Yeah. But it's also not as big as like games or I mean, video games and online gaming and all that.
Well, but think about this. So if you take regulated and unregulated gambling. So the gray market plus the regulated portion, that's $4 trillion annually. So that is an enormous market. That is an enormous market. Yeah, it's one of the biggest markets in the world. Yes. And so I don't see prediction markets being the primary way people engage in that.
If they did, however, then that would be a way for prediction markets would be, you know, trillion dollar businesses. But I just I don't think that's what's going to happen. You know, it could. That would be the that would be the real bull market case that that they become the way most people perform bets or take bets, wager for sports events, because that that is a very popular pastime.
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