This is the long awaited Part 2 of my interviews from Knepp. In this one I talk to Penny Green, their Principal Ecologist, and Ivan De Klee, who does, er, everything else! It was recorded outdoors (the best way) in the scrublands at Knepp on a windy November day in late 2020, between lockdowns, but I have checked and they are both happy that everything they said back then still stands. Penny and Ivan are at the 'coal face' of rewilding, in Penny's case particularly with the safari customers, and with Ivan, his role with other farms in a local cluster means that he is very tuned into the farming community. They both have so much to say about their roles at Knepp that I think you will love the interview, and, if you haven't already been, be tempted again to go and visit for yourself. Photos from this visit will be online at whatifyoujustleaveit.info shortly. I hope you enjoy it and any comments and reviews very welcome. Thank you for listening. You might also look for Penny's Knepp podcasts, but only of course, after listening to this :)

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