The History of Fremantle vs. Brisbane, plus the Ted Hopkins Medal | Know Your History with Shannon Gill (24.09.26)
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What is the opening premise and why is Grand Final week being revisited?
From the hurly-burly, we take one step back and go, where do we find ourselves in history? And Shannon Gill is our guide on that front. Know your history with Shannon Gill. Shannon, welcome. Morning, Gerard. Lots to go through. We've got a bit of a clear house, packed agenda. So you have this fantastic... to rate our grand finals.
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one else has pioneered or perfected this, and you have. It's underestimated, and I feel like over the passage of time it will become cherished. We thought, let's put that over the preliminary final. Let's test our idea that this could be the greatest game of all.
Yeah, yeah. And I went to the game. During the game, I'm thinking, first quarter, great quarter of footy. Halftime, I'm thinking, this is a little bit like the Collingwood-Brisbane grand final of a few years ago. In the last 10 minutes, I am saying multiple times, I think this might be the greatest game I've ever seen. So we'll go through each category. So first category, game style, which is sort of the beauty of the game. And I've given it a 10. And I think 20 goals v 19 goals tells you everything we need to know. There is sometimes this debate about is too many goals a bad thing? And I think we're anchored in round 23 matchups between 12th and 15th where there's no defence played. No, no, no. This is a prelim final between...
Well, an absolute champion team, and a team that might become a great team very soon, and they kick 20 goals tonight. So the style of the game, as good as it can get, 10. Unquestioned. Closeness. Four lead changes in time under the last quarter. Yeah. I've given it a nine, and I've probably under-clubbed it a little bit here. Throughout the game, there was a few leads that... Just drifted. And Brisbane, I think, early in the last quarter, a lot of people thought the game was put to bed. But whenever Hawthorne were in front earlier in the day, Brisbane were always within striking distance. So it was there the whole day. Historical importance is the next category. I've given it a 7.5 because we don't really know.
If Hawthorne end up winning a premiership with this team in this era... you could almost put that up to 10.
And if this is the start of the new rivalry, as we referenced, Hawthorne and Brisbane have never played in a final. What if they play in three finals in the next four years and two of them are grand finals? This becomes a 10. So
7.5 for that. Now, star power, I've got 9.5. Again, these things can move. So I think it's the Hugh McCluggins signature game. Will Ashcroft all day, just does it again. The Zach Bailey moments, I think I've said it before, I liken him to the, he's the Wayne Johnston of this era. The big game player who does the job in finals. Future Hall of Famer, I think. Kyle Oman, like, where does Kyle Oman end up? He kicked five goals. He may end up, you never know, being a Hall of Fame player one day. Charlie Cameron did his bit. On the Hawthorne side of it, you've got Nick Watson. This is an Ablett 89 style performance. In fact, in today's era, that may be as good as an Ablett 89 performance. So if that's the best finals game he ever plays...
That's in the pantheon. Yes. As simple as that. Josh Ward, what he may become. So Gunston's role there. So there's your star power. Plenty of it. Iconic moments is the next category. 9.5 for that. So the Mitch Lewis mark, clearly. Most of Nick Watson's goals. The Kyle Oman burst. The Connor McKenna goal. McClutchage, what he did in the last quarter to kick two goals under that pressure. And then the end, the final decision and the final decisions that led up to it are just things we'll never forget. So those iconic moments will last. And then the finish, the finish to the game, I've given a 10. The last 20 minutes is... Probably the most spectacular last 20 minutes of footy you'll ever see. I don't think anyone can debate that, really.
And then the game's decided with 18 seconds left. The only thing, I mean, in a perfect world, Kyle Oman just walks away and doesn't kick the last
goal. And it stays at a one-kick margin. And it stays at a one-kick game.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the opening premise and why is Grand Final week being revisited?
0:00–5:01
2
How do Shannon and Gerard evaluate the Hawthorn‑Brisbane preliminary final as possibly the greatest game ever?
5:01–11:04
3
What criteria define the new Ted Hopkins Medal and why can’t the AFL award it?
11:04–16:43
4
How did the inaugural Ted Hopkins Medalists (Ted Hopkins, Phil Baker, Paul Abbott) earn the award?
16:43–22:45
5
What is the historical rivalry between Fremantle and Brisbane and how does Fitzroy factor in?
22:45–29:32
6
Which later players (Shane Hamilton, Glenn Freeborn, Toby Thurston, etc.) are strong candidates for the Ted Hopkins Medal?
29:32–32:49
7
How do the hosts decide which players are too successful to qualify for the medal?
32:49–34:51
8
What are the final thoughts and take‑aways about the Ted Hopkins Medal and the episode’s historical deep‑dive?
34:51–35:11
Speakers
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