Here we are again, getting off the bus from hell. This is the chapter where we see a division among the characters and rising stakes! Why do some people stay in the bright place and some go back to Grey Town? Here we meet George MacDonald, and learn that heaven and hell are no mere states of mind, but an increasingly solid reality. If one reaches it, then everything will have been heaven leaving up to it. If one misses it, then even the best things of this temporal life will have been no more than hell. We discuss the idea that, "Community is intrinsic to salvation." What does it mean to be in community with others? Related, what does it mean to forgive others? We discuss the idea that when we are not able to forgive, we keep ourselves in our own cycle of hell. And while we're talking about forgiveness and community we also talk about what does and does not constitute the true self! Most intriguing of all, we mull over Lewis' George MacDonald character and his gut-punching observation that, "There have been men before now who got so interested in proving the existence of God, that they came to care nothing for God Himself." For more information about Moses, subscribe at www.mosesbernabe.com, or support at www.patreon.com/mosesbernabe. For more information about Jake, contact him at www.jacobrayschwartz.com or @jacobrayschwartz

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“What did the council decide on item 42?” — answered with the speaker and the moment.