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JPMorgan’s Jamie Dimon Says It’s a Bad Idea to Interfere With the Fed

13 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What does Jamie Dimon say about the Federal Reserve's independence?

0.115 - 17.554 Alex Ossola

JPMorgan's CEO defends the Fed, warning that interference would push up rates. Plus, inflation holds steady at 2.7 percent in December. And President Trump tells Iranian protesters that, quote, help is on its way.

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17.855 - 25.583 Alexander Ward

We do know that officials are preparing just a lot of options for him. Whenever Trump is ready to make a decision on what he wants to do, things will move.

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25.681 - 47.226 Alex Ossola

It's Tuesday, January 13th. I'm Alex Osola for The Wall Street Journal. This is the PM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories that move the world today. On Wall Street today, JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon defended the Federal Reserve after it was subpoenaed by the Justice Department.

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Chapter 2: How does inflation impact the Federal Reserve's decisions?

47.747 - 61.176 Alex Ossola

Dimon told reporters that anything that, quote, chips away at the Fed's independence was a bad idea and could have consequences like increasing inflation and interest rates over time. Diamond's comments came after J.P. Morgan reported its earnings for the fourth quarter.

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61.577 - 70.816 Alex Ossola

The bank said its profit fell 7 percent, dragged down by a $2.2 billion charge from its deal to take over the Apple credit card program and a surprising slip in investment banking fees.

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Chapter 3: What is President Trump's stance on Iran and its protesters?

71.237 - 88.74 Alex Ossola

But it still saw revenue increase for both the quarter and the year. I'm joined now by WSJ reporter Alexandra Saidi, who covers banking and finance. Alex, I want to start with Diamond's comments about Fed Chair Jerome Powell and the Fed. Central banks around the world, former Fed and Treasury officials, and several U.S.

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Chapter 4: What options are being prepared for U.S. action in Iran?

88.76 - 98.77 Alex Ossola

lawmakers have spoken out this week defending Powell or expressing concern about the investigation into him. How much does Diamond's comment reflect the broader feeling on Wall Street in particular?

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99.374 - 122.365 Alexander Saeedy

Yeah, it's very representative of I think the view among executives in banks, hedge funds, asset managers that the independence of the Federal Reserve is a third rail, not something you want to interfere with because as we've seen in many countries around the world when – politics become a factor in how central bankers set monetary policy.

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123.368 - 149.335 Alexander Saeedy

You lose trust from investors and that's exactly what has set America apart from a lot of other countries historically and that's what the stewards of these large financial institutions want to ensure remains. Without it, their ability to invest is curtailed. The appetite for investment goes down. So it's not surprising to hear Diamond come out swinging on this.

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149.455 - 157.748 Alexander Saeedy

And he was probably one of the first big Wall Street executives to speak out since the news of the subpoenas went public over the weekend.

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158.572 - 169.502 Alex Ossola

shifting now to focus on what J.P. Morgan's earnings tell us about the consumer. On a call this morning, Diamond warned that there were big geopolitical risks, but overall, he was upbeat about the state of the economy.

169.882 - 182.414 Jamie Dimon

In the short run, call it six months and nine months and even a year, you know, it's pretty positive. You know, consumers have money. There's still jobs, even though it's weakened a little bit. There's a huge, there is a lot of stimulus coming from one big, beautiful bill.

183.475 - 185.997 Alex Ossola

Alex, what do J.P. Morgan's numbers tell us?

186.23 - 207.205 Alexander Saeedy

JP Morgan's customer leans a little affluent. They're the biggest bank in the country, so they cover a lot of people. So there's a slight bias in what they report towards your sort of upper middle class segment. But overall, they were reporting really good credit metrics. You know, 90-day plus delinquencies were down versus a year ago on credit cards.

207.927 - 232.192 Alexander Saeedy

Spending is up 7% year over year on debit and credit cards. And the bank executives were saying consumers are spending. They seem confident. Most income groups in the country seem to be improving or at least having more confidence, which is a little different from the alternative economic narrative of the very wealthy are doing well while those in lower income segments are doing worse.

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