The Most Important Date Of The Second World War
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What is the introductory overview of this war‑waffle episode?
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Achtung Actung, welcome to We Have Ways of Making Y Talk with Miel Murray and James Holland, your second world war podcast of choice. Episode one thousand and I don't know. I mean that thousand episode milestone, James. Uh fourteen. Fourteen Seems seems quite a while ago now. Anyway, um, thanks for listening, everybody. Thanks for sticking with us into our second millennium. Now, um uh this is a warwaffle episode. Now, for those of you who've joined us recently, what a warwaffle episode normally is, is we talk about kind of what we've been reading, or we look at what was going on in across the six years of what people call the Second World War, though of course, you know, the the the the the window's been thrown far wider open by recent scholarship.
But you know, if you jo if you're Johnny Fennel then you you call it the um it's a second world it's still the second world war but but it's it's slightly bigger than six years. Yeah. It's uh what is he, thirty one to forty nine. Th thirty nine. Thirty one to forty nine, yes. Six times l three times longer.
Just in case people thought there was we were running out of stuff to talk about. Um, but um we talk about what we've been reading, what we've got in front of us. We cheer the card and we have a chat, which is let's face it, it's where it all began. This is what's on my desk. A magazine of the life and times of Leslie Thomas Jock Greer, eighteenth july, nineteen nineteen to fourteenth, December nineteen fifty seven. He was in one five one parachute battalion, but so the Indian Parachute Battalion then became that then became Came one five six and uh went went to Arnhem and he went to Stallang eleven B and afterwards and all and all this sort of stuff, which funnily enough ties in with I've just been to the Edinburgh fringe and there was someone there who who'd found her great grandfather's war diary or his diary just his diary and had done a little play about about Operation Market Garden, which is the seventeenth of September, Jim, which is when this episode's going out.
Now, although Um I know if you're a regular listener you're probably tired of hearing this from hearing about this movie. So I wanted to actually say, James
Why do the hosts claim 17 September 1939 is the most consequential WW2 date?
That the seventeenth of September in the Second World War I think has the most consequential event happen on it. The seventeenth, but it's not in nineteen forty four. It's in nineteen forty. It's no, it's nineteen thirty nine. It's the Soviets rolling into Poland without declaring war. I thought you were going
to say the day that that uh Hitler calls off Operation Sea Line.
Nah no no no no because there'd be no Operation Sea Line to call off if the Soviet Because there's the non-aggression pact is one thing, right? But the Soviets then actually actively following up on it and invading Poland. Okay, so you're not you're not you're not just saying first of September would be
dumb
of it. No, I'm saying seventeenth of September. I
mean the
most consequential day of the whole Second World War is the day it begins. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The most consequential day is the day where the Soviets the Soviets, they set their thing in motion that results in Barbarossa. You know, Hitler's Hitler's feels they're breathing down his neck, doesn't he? Um i i uh b by the middle of nine by well, by the turn of forty into forty one. And this is the start of that process, with the Soviets invading Poland and then and then laying out exactly what people have got in st in store you know, what what they've got in store for them when they show up. You know, they call it co belligerence. I mean they They're they're allies, right? You've got the the Soviets take the eastern half.
And you know, we had that we read a family story the other day. I don't know if it would have been out by the time it's which which was about a Polish fellow who decided, you know, they the the Soviets show up and the Soviets say we're here to liberate.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the introductory overview of this war‑waffle episode?
0:02–2:32
2
Why do the hosts claim 17 September 1939 is the most consequential WW2 date?
2:32–7:22
3
How did the Anglo‑Soviet invasion of Iran in 1941 reshape the Middle‑East front?
7:22–13:36
4
What were the key challenges of British tank procurement and metal fatigue during the war?
13:36–22:01
5
How did Soviet and German societies differ in their wartime consent and mobilisation?
22:01–28:45
6
What impact did the German engineering presence in pre‑war Iran have on Allied strategy?
28:45–35:03
7
Why do the hosts consider the September 17 1944 Market Garden and other events a ‘trifecta’?
35:03–42:07
8
What are the upcoming projects and how can listeners get involved with the podcast?
42:07–44:20