Everything Is Alive — A Conversation on Shamanism with ShavastiWhat is shamanism?In this conversation, Shavasti and I explore shamanism and the many experiences that have shaped Shavasti's understanding of it.Growing up between cultures and languages, Shavasti has spent decades exploring ancestral wisdom, indigenous traditions, and the ways different cultures understand our relationship with the living world. As our conversation unfolds, he shares his understanding of shamanism—not primarily as a set of practices, but as a way of seeing the world, where everything is alive and everything exists in relationship.One idea that especially stayed with me was Shavasti's invitation to see ourselves not as separate from the world around us, but as part of a living web of relationships—with people, animals, plants, places, and the land itself.In this conversation, we explore:• What shamanism means from Shavasti's perspective• Living between cultures and how it shaped his worldview• History, ancestry, and the stories that continue to live through us• The relationship between shamanism and Family Constellations• Seeing the natural world as alive and in relationship• How this perspective influences the way we meet clients and lifeI hope you enjoy the conversation.Warmly,IrisAbout ShavastiShavasti (John L. Payne) is an international teacher, author, and Family Constellations facilitator. He is the author of The Language of the Soul and The Healing of Individuals, Families and Nations. For more than three decades, he has taught and facilitated workshops around the world, integrating Family Constellations, ancestral wisdom, and his exploration of shamanism into his work.Connect with ShavastiWebsite: https://www.shavasti.comFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/shavastiConnect with IrisWebsite: https://www.irisconstellations.comEmail: [email protected] you for listening.© 2026 You, Me & the Family Tree. All rights reserved.

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