On a bright, ordinary morning in May 2014, Dr. Lucy Hone dropped her 12-year-old daughter Abby at the netball courts. There were face masks the night before. A long weekend planned. Mountain bikes packed in the car.It was the last time she saw her alive.In this devastating and deeply clarifying conversation, Lucy a resilience researcher whose How Will I Ever Get Through This? has just been released talks about what happens when your life splits into a before and an after. When the theory becomes real. When the worst thing imaginable happens, and you still have to put cereal on the table the next morning.This is not a conversation about “bouncing back.” It’s about something more honest.Lucy dismantles the myth of the five tidy stages of grief (spoiler: they’re not real), explains why grief is so physically exhausting, and introduces the idea that you don’t need a funeral to be grieving. Divorce. Illness. Identity shifts. Children leaving home. There is hidden grief everywhere we just don’t have the language for it.We talk about: Why most people are more resilient than they think The concept of oscillation how you can live and grieve at the same time The difference between toxic positivity and pragmatic hope Post-traumatic growth (and why 60% of people experience it) The quiet bravery of getting up again tomorrow In this episode hosted by Editor Georgie McCourt you'll hear moments that will take your breath away: Lucy describing Abby’s sassy humour. The kitchen floor decision to “choose life, not death.” The three whispered goodnights she still says that will resonate with anyone who has ever lost someone dear. But there is also this: hope. Not the shiny, naïve kind. The gritty kind. The kind that says, “This is a bloody awful thing. And I will find a way through.”Lucy’s TED Talk, Three Secrets of Resilient People, has been watched millions of times. After this conversation, you’ll understand why.If you are moving through a season of loss big or small this episode offers language, permission, and the steady reminder that loving deeply means risking grief. You cannot have one without the other.And maybe that’s the point.Listen carefully. You’re going to want to hear this.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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