In this episode, we welcome back teacher, counselor, and author David Bedrick, founder of the Santa Fe Institute for Shame-Based Studies, to discuss his “unshaming” approach to shame and trauma healing. Bedrick contrasts traditional pathology-and-fix models with meeting symptoms—such as eating struggles, anger, addiction, codependency, anxiety, and insecurity—with curiosity, respect, and embodied listening to uncover their meaning and intelligence. He shares a story from a Slovak eating-disorder documentary session where a client’s throat-closing response reveals a powerful boundary and a “revolution” in expression, emphasizing organic pacing rather than quick fixes. Kallie relates the approach to post-infidelity insecurity in a new relationship and discovering boundary intelligence. They also discuss Bedrick’s book The Unshaming Way and his upcoming Unshaming Way Workbook (March 17), designed with step-by-step somatic practices and poetry. To find Kallie on social media and explore her offers: https://stan.store/kalisomatics To sign up for Kallie's 6-month program, SHED: https://kalisomatics.com/shed To find David on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/david.bedrick/To order David's new The Unshaming Way Workbook:https://www.amazon.com/Unshaming-Way-Workbook-Reflection-Self-Blame/dp/B0FFG5HF69

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