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You're Dead to Me

Catherine de’ Medici: the real Serpent Queen of France

21 Feb 2025

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Chapter 1: Who was Catherine de’ Medici and why is she significant?

525.009 - 539.236 Dr. Estelle Paranque

Uncle Pope. Uncle Pope. Uncle Ken. It's a life of turmoil and of great heartbreaks. What I want people to understand, just for a minute, how lonely Katerina was. Because she's got no brothers and sisters.

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539.296 - 550.522 Dr. Estelle Paranque

No, and it's very important to remember because then when we're going to go through her life and we're going to discuss her later, I want you to remember that she lost everyone she loved or could have loved and she was massively a political pawn.

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550.923 - 568.048 Shaparak Khorsandi

So when you see a story like Katerin's put on Netflix and portrayed as this mean, scheming person, but you, as a historian, no different. What do you want to say to Netflix?

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569.009 - 570.691 Dr. Estelle Paranque

I would like to say, please hire me.

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572.648 - 585.638 Greg Jenner

Very affordable rates. As a historical consultant. So how do you think the Pope, her uncle, Clement VII, secures her future? She's a young woman. She's 11, 12 years old. What do you think the Pope does to make sure she's got a backup plan?

587.086 - 605.966 Shaparak Khorsandi

Oh, you know what? I'd like to think that he gives her some money for her independence and self-defense classes. But I've got a horrible feeling that perhaps some bozo is found. Is that am I right?

606.006 - 606.767 Greg Jenner

So to marry off?

606.947 - 610.708 Shaparak Khorsandi

Some bozos found to marry her too. Oh, I wish I was wrong.

610.728 - 619.032 Dr. Estelle Paranque

No, don't wish you were wrong. Because I don't think it's a sad story. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm the only one feeling that.

Chapter 2: What was Catherine de’ Medici's early life like?

1745.794 - 1753.435 Shaparak Khorsandi

Yeah. Imagine that, wandering around. Oi, Nostradamus, can I have a cup of tea? I wonder what she called him for short. Nostri?

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1753.695 - 1753.956 Greg Jenner

Yeah.

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1753.976 - 1758.058 Dr. Estelle Paranque

Nostri? Nostri? Damus. Damus. Damus. Nobby.

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1758.498 - 1781.358 Greg Jenner

Nobby. In 1555, Nobby Nostradamus prophesies to his queen. He says, the young lion will overcome the old. In a field of combat, in a single fight, he will pierce his eyes in a golden cage, two wounds in one. He then dies a cruel death. Now, what do you think that sounds like, Shappi?

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1781.578 - 1783.739 Shaparak Khorsandi

I think it might. Does it involve horses again?

1783.799 - 1800.829 Greg Jenner

It does. It's a jousting injury. And that literally happens. Now, I'm not saying Nostradamus is true. He might have just, you know, cold reading, whatever. But supposedly Catherine also dreamed of it. So supposedly she has a nightmare vision that her husband's going to die in a joust. And she begs him not to go in the joust.

1801.129 - 1805.812 Greg Jenner

He goes in the joust against Montgomery, who injures the king in the first joust.

1806.132 - 1810.935 Dr. Estelle Paranque

Yeah, and then he wants a revenge, so he does it again, and this time it goes through his eye.

1810.955 - 1821.941 Greg Jenner

Yeah, the lance goes through his visor, through his face, through his eye, splinters into the brain, and he... He died in ten days. Henri, her husband, is dead, which means Diane de Poitiers... Out?

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