History of Broadway (Radio Edit)

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Robin Ince 0:00
It's Lucy Worsley here and we're back with a brand new series of Lady Swindlers.
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 0:18
Join me and my all-female team of detectives as we revisit the audacious crimes of women trying to make it in a world made for men. These were women who traded in crime, but who were ahead of their time. History calls them criminals. Society calls them frauds. But here on Lady Swindlers, we call them ordinary women who lived extraordinary lives. And we're still talking about them today. MUSIC Meet a swindler with ever so many names.
Dr. Hannah Thuraisingam Robbins 0:52
Or travel with us to 1920s New York to meet Celia Cooney, the bobbed-haired bandit, a celebrity armed robber with a plan.
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 1:18
But deep down, all she really wants is her dream home. And you don't have to just take our word for it.
Desiree Burch 1:24
We didn't call Celia the bob-haired bandit. We called Celia Grandma.
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 1:29
This season, we're chasing fake mediums, a lady burglar and the infamous Yorkshire witch from England and Scotland to the US and beyond. Our Lady Swindlers are truly international. She moved from Scotland to England to Italy, later to New York to New Zealand and Australia. As always, we're travelling back in time with our in-house historian, Professor Rosalind Crone. And we even come up with our own criminal nicknames. Cunning Crone. Luce the Noose. Luta Lucy and Robber Roz. No bad ideas. Not all of them can be gone. Our guest detective team is expanding too. This season, we're joined by broadcasters, barristers, authors, activists, a psychologist and even an artist. Actually, I was always fascinated by England. I don't know, it might have to do with Hugh Grant. Hugh Grant! Yes, it did. Four weddings and a funeral. Iconic.
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 2:24
We tried to understand these women.
Professor Edith Hall 2:27
This is a story of working-class women trying to get by. This is survival.
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 2:33
We relate to them.
Professor Edith Hall 2:35
I'm here shining up my fraudulent damehood. I started getting abuse online for having accepted a damehood, which is the ultimate mark of authenticity.
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 2:45
Join me for the second season of Lady Swindlers, where true crime meets history with a twist. Available now. Listen on the BBC app or wherever you get your podcasts.
Dr. Hannah Thuraisingam Robbins 3:08
BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts.
Greg Jenner 3:13
Hello and welcome to You're Dead to Me, the Radio 4 comedy podcast that takes history seriously. My name is Greg Jenner. I'm a public historian, author and broadcaster. And today we are collecting our costumes and can-canning into the chorus line as we learn all about the history of Broadway. And to help us, we have two very special theatrical stars in History Corner. They're an associate professor in popular music and the director of the Black Studies Department at the University of Nottingham. They're an expert on musical theatre and research race and gender identity in popular culture. They've published on everything from The Wizard of Oz to Hamilton and my favourite, Frozen. No, you let it go. It's Dr Hannah to Risingham Robbins. Welcome.
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 3:50
Hello, thank you for having me.
Greg Jenner 3:52
Delighted to have you here. And in Comedy Corner, she needs no introduction on this show, but I do still have to do one. So she's a comedian, actor, writer. You'll have seen her on all the telly. Taskmaster, Frankie Boyle's New World Order, the Horn Section TV show Netflix is too hot to handle. And you'll know her from our many, many episodes of this very podcast, including recent highlights, The Columbian Exchange and Pythagoras. It's your Dead to Me's leading lady, Desiree Birch. Welcome back, Desiree.
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 4:16
What a dude. You said you had to do one. Do I get to host the podcast now?
Greg Jenner 4:20
I think you've done enough episodes now that maybe... I'm learning my British slang.
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 4:23
I'm doing well, guys.
Greg Jenner 4:24
This is under the test. Are you a fan of musical theatre? Do you go to Broadway when you're maybe back home and to the West End?
Desiree Burch 4:33
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Greg Jenner 4:35
Are we about to hear something?
Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection) 4:36
No, I mean, look, I love theater. I love seeing incredible acting. For me, it is always about the acting above everything else. For musical theater, it really does need to be, for the most part, singing first if you're going to enjoy it. It feels like it needs to be singing, then acting, and then movement. And I wish it were two and one were inverted.

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