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土屋先生、張にバトンを渡した、前センター長の利根川先生登場です。土屋先生と利根川先生の出会いのエピソードや、研修センター長に就任した経緯、そして現在の仕事は？など。かなり盛り上がった3人対談(4人目もいる？)の前半部分をお届けします。
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