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第一个时间段是甲午战争以后，张謇他们办起，说兵战不行，要商战，你这个时候做商业叫舍身畏虎啊。攻身入局这句话就是当年张謇他们写的啊。第一个时间段就跟国家大米集关。第二个时间段呢，是抗战以后一九四八年，当时国民政府在中国地区大规模的进行国有化改革。 05:38 嗯，当年孔祥熙和众子文他们当年就很多像像荣家这样的完全跟政治没有关系的事情，他都开始考虑说国家应不应该办企业这件事儿。在大公报民生报公开写文章文章讨论这个事情，他突然间讨论公共事务，这是第二个事情。第三个事情。加入WTO以后，你现在回过去看，二零零零年到二零零四年的一段时间，是企业家进行公共表达最最激烈的时候。
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