Afrikaner

…And so these things were very complex. We had the same dynamics in South Africa with the Afrikaner people and the English as well, yes. But just to get to that point, it's unfortunate that thinking about history, history tends to overestimate or overemphasize the conflict and downplay the cooperation, because conflict is more newsworthy, you could say.…

…It was initially the Dutch, and they were then joined by Germans and French especially, but some other Europeans as well. And we sometimes call them the Proto-Afrikaners because the Afrikaner people became a people obviously it's not just one singular event and then you are a people, but it happened over time when we developed our own language and culture i…