Camelback Mountain

…You have those thoughts, the self-doubt, the one, why am I doing this? It feels kind of unnecessary. And two, can I do this? You know, Camelback, it's not one of the hardest hikes in the world, but it's straight up. It's a lot of scrambling. It's tough on the knees and lower back. And you have to be in relative shape to do it well.…

…I'm going to talk about a very simple rock up Camelback Mountain in Phoenix. Rock being, for those who don't know, basically putting on a backpack with weight in it. So I'm carrying in the video component to this 35 pounds, 30 pounds, like weighted slate with some water and just stuff like that. And the idea is it makes the climb harder.…

…And he was executive left brain, absolutely did not believe in any of this, even my own work. He was like, oh, you know, until later in time, he saw proof for sure. But we had another experience in Phoenix, Arizona. We were on Camelback Mountain. I was grabbing food and he's calling me finally into the phone. And he's like, do you see it? Where are you? I…