Hearing - E-01345A-25-0105 - Arizona Public Service Company - Jun 30, 2026

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What procedural matters and initial filings are being addressed at the start of the hearing?

Judge or Commissioner (Unknown) 0:00

All right, let's go ahead and go back on the record. Good morning, everyone. Happy Tuesday, day 27 in the application of Arizona Public Service Company for a rate increase. Before we pick up with the recross, Ms. Hoppeck, I'll ask, are there any procedural matters we need to take up at this time?

Ms. Potter or other (Unknown) 0:21

Did you want to take the time to discuss the filings from yesterday on the repeals or would you like to have some time on that?

Judge or Commissioner (Unknown) 0:32

I was thinking of taking that up after lunch

Ms. Potter or other (Unknown) 0:34

when we come

Judge or Commissioner (Unknown) 0:34

back at 1 o'clock. I'm still digesting and percolating on what I've read. I have gotten them all. I have at least glanced through all of them at this point. Okay. Not hearing anything else anybody wants to address at this time, then we'll pick back up with Ms. Haubeck. So last we had was Vote Solar. And next we'll have, oh, Walmart, I think WRA was next, if I recall correctly. So Ms. Derfler, did you have any questions for Ms. Haubeck? And hold on just for a second. Ms. Haubeck will remind you you're still under oath. Yes. Okay. All right. Back to you, Ms. Derfler. Did you have any questions on Recross?

Aracia (Autumn Johnson) — actually SPEAKER_14 is Autumn Johnson, so SPEAKER_04 unknown 1:16

Thank you, Your Honor. No questions.

Judge or Commissioner (Unknown) 1:21

Okay. All right. The next up I would have is Aracia. Ms. Johnson, did you have any questions on recross?

Autumn Johnson 1:29

I do, Your Honor. Ms. Havik, are you able to hear me? I

Jessica Habeck 1:34

am. Good morning.

Autumn Johnson 1:36

Okay. Good morning. I hope I have minimal dog barking in the background. Okay, yesterday Vote Solar asked you about stakeholder engagement regarding E32 LSP, do you recall that? I do. I didn't completely understand your response. I thought that you, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, my recollection of your response is that you went back to the stakeholder process from before the last rate case. But I think he was asking about stakeholder engagement since the last rate case. Was that your understanding of his question?

Jessica Habeck 2:17

Yes.

Autumn Johnson 2:18

Okay. So

Jessica Habeck 2:20

do you have that? Oh, go ahead. Is that better? Can you hear me?

Autumn Johnson 2:24

Okay. Yep. Do you have the RCA exhibits in front of you?

Jessica Habeck 2:28

I do not. But if you have an exhibit number, we can get the appropriate binder.

Autumn Johnson 2:33

Yeah, I'd like to go to RCA 62, please.

APS (Counsel) (Unknown) 2:41

Your Honor, before we get into Aracia 62, just procedurally, this exhibit is a little unusual. We have an attorney who has packaged up a bunch of her emails, personal emails. She's an attorney, not a witness, so I don't know how you want to handle this to the extent you want to allow it.

Judge or Commissioner (Unknown) 3:01

Well, it is a little peculiar because Ms. Johnson is also apparently... I'm not totally clear what her... I guess I'll ask Ms. Johnson, are you... Are you the head of Aracia? Yes. Okay. So effectively, she's kind of like almost like a pro per in this instance. She just happens to be an attorney trained pro per. I don't know if that's a characterization you don't like or not, but de facto, it's essentially the same thing in this circumstance. So do you have any disagreement with that, Ms. Johnson?

Autumn Johnson 3:34

I don't know if I like the characterization of an attorney either. So however you'd like to characterize it, but yes, I am the executive director of Aracia and because I am free as far as legal counsel, that's why you find me sitting here today.

Judge or Commissioner (Unknown) 3:50

Yeah. Well, at the moment, we'll just, I'll let the questions happen and we'll just see where it goes and what happens, what comes of it. So go ahead with your questions, Ms. Johnson.

Autumn Johnson 4:00

Okay. I didn't, couldn't see Ms. Habeck. Does she have the exhibit now? Yes, I do. Okay. All right. So I'd like to, well, let's go to just the first page so we can identify what these are, even though Mr. Hessler's kind of helped us along the way. But the first page of the exhibit is Bates number nine. And you'd agree this is an email exchange between you and I about E32 LSP, correct?

Jessica Habeck 4:26

It is from March. Yes. Looks like the top is March 25th of 2025. We're

Autumn Johnson 4:34

going to scroll down a little bit because Gmail does the oldest at the bottom. So let's go to Bates number 11.

Jessica Habeck 4:39

Okay. Looks like that starts February 18th of 25. So roughly less than 30 days apart.

Autumn Johnson 4:48

Okay. And so coincidentally, I mentioned to you that SRP is going through a pricing proceeding. You see that here?

Jessica Habeck 4:56

Yes. Okay.

4:58

Okay.

Autumn Johnson 4:58

But the gist of the email is I say in the third sentence, my members think the reason for the lack of adoption is the lack of awareness or ability to do outreach to customers that might benefit from the rate.