Aaron Crow

Well, and there's so many, again, we mentioned it, but there's 17 critical infrastructures. And the reason that they've been categorized as critical is because they're critical to human condition as Americans in our country. And if any one of those go down, it is going to impact our lives. All of our lives, not just yours, not just mine, but everyone's.

Well, and there's so many, again, we mentioned it, but there's 17 critical infrastructures. And the reason that they've been categorized as critical is because they're critical to human condition as Americans in our country. And if any one of those go down, it is going to impact our lives. All of our lives, not just yours, not just mine, but everyone's.

Like if the power goes down, you can't pump gas. You don't get water. You don't like everything tumbles down.

Like if the power goes down, you can't pump gas. You don't get water. You don't like everything tumbles down.

Don't even bother going. So the reason these things are critical is because really smart people sat in a room and they said, hey, what are the things that if they go down are going to impact society? Like the bigger society. So there's 17 of us. And I would argue, and I've worked in many of them, not all of them, but many of them.

Don't even bother going. So the reason these things are critical is because really smart people sat in a room and they said, hey, what are the things that if they go down are going to impact society? Like the bigger society. So there's 17 of us. And I would argue, and I've worked in many of them, not all of them, but many of them.

And I would say almost all of them, at least the ones that I've been in, underfunded, people don't understand the risk, including the asset owners. And they don't have the right people and processes. And unfortunately, cyber is not... designed and engineered into the system. And it's an afterthought.

And I would say almost all of them, at least the ones that I've been in, underfunded, people don't understand the risk, including the asset owners. And they don't have the right people and processes. And unfortunately, cyber is not... designed and engineered into the system. And it's an afterthought.

And unfortunately, usually an afterthought after something bad happens, like the example you just gave about the peanut, right? So they start looking at these systems when there's an attack, when there's a breakdown of physical or cyber incident. And then they have to because the spotlight is on them and they're required to. And then everybody else may be hopefully around them that are similar.

And unfortunately, usually an afterthought after something bad happens, like the example you just gave about the peanut, right? So they start looking at these systems when there's an attack, when there's a breakdown of physical or cyber incident. And then they have to because the spotlight is on them and they're required to. And then everybody else may be hopefully around them that are similar.

Say, oh, it happened to them. It could happen to us. We should we should look at that, too. Or there's regulation that comes down. So unfortunately, that's where we sit a lot of times in this industry. And it's not because the companies are bad companies. These are some of the best people I've ever worked with. They want to do the right thing, but they are strung behind.

Say, oh, it happened to them. It could happen to us. We should we should look at that, too. Or there's regulation that comes down. So unfortunately, that's where we sit a lot of times in this industry. And it's not because the companies are bad companies. These are some of the best people I've ever worked with. They want to do the right thing, but they are strung behind.

They can only do what makes them money. And unfortunately, cyber and all this stuff is not a revenue center. We're not creating revenue value. My power plant's not more efficient. I don't create more wheat because I put in cybersecurity. It's more almost like an insurance policy. And nobody likes paying for insurance. It's just like this, ugh.

They can only do what makes them money. And unfortunately, cyber and all this stuff is not a revenue center. We're not creating revenue value. My power plant's not more efficient. I don't create more wheat because I put in cybersecurity. It's more almost like an insurance policy. And nobody likes paying for insurance. It's just like this, ugh.

The one thing I'll say on that is you look back and we do have a couple of examples of that in America. And you go back to Katrina when we had the hurricane that came through in New Orleans. And we saw martial law in two or three days and people that were committing crimes and going at gunpoint. And these are not bad people. These are everyday people like you and me that are dying.

The one thing I'll say on that is you look back and we do have a couple of examples of that in America. And you go back to Katrina when we had the hurricane that came through in New Orleans. And we saw martial law in two or three days and people that were committing crimes and going at gunpoint. And these are not bad people. These are everyday people like you and me that are dying.

desperate because their family is starving. Their baby is starving. They don't have food. They don't have water. They don't have a way to evacuate. There were basic needs in our country. And that was with FEMA and with the National Guard and the amount of public services that we have. And it was one small area. Imagine that on a large scale. Imagine that across our country.

desperate because their family is starving. Their baby is starving. They don't have food. They don't have water. They don't have a way to evacuate. There were basic needs in our country. And that was with FEMA and with the National Guard and the amount of public services that we have. And it was one small area. Imagine that on a large scale. Imagine that across our country.

When we can't just, you know, rally the troops from all over their country to this one geographical area. Imagine if that was on the East Coast, in the center and on the West Coast all at the same time. It would be we wouldn't even recover as well as we did at Katrina. And we all agree that we didn't recover well then. Like it was really not our best time.

When we can't just, you know, rally the troops from all over their country to this one geographical area. Imagine if that was on the East Coast, in the center and on the West Coast all at the same time. It would be we wouldn't even recover as well as we did at Katrina. And we all agree that we didn't recover well then. Like it was really not our best time.