Aaron Gordon
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All right, so what I said on Simmons' podcast last week was that I don't think he's going to go in the first round, and yet you're not going to hear that being vocalized. Like, it's just not worth it. The juice is not worth the squeeze.
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And what I meant was, look, we don't know that, so it's safer to put any quarterback in the first round when they're being rumored as a first-round quarterback, even if you're hearing you don't have a team necessarily. And in the case of Shador – I think a lot of people were pulling for him to go in the first round in the media. And I'm not speaking on behalf of anybody else.
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I just know Dion has been an icon for all of us growing up. He's also been a colleague of many of the people in the media. He worked at NFL Network for 15 years. He also has been with CBS. He's worked with ESPN. He's got a documentary on Amazon. He does stuff. He does his own show with Tubi. He does a lot of interviews. So it's like, what's the win if you think- He does barstool. Of course he did.
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No joke. I've totally forgot about that. The college stuff that you guys did with him. So it's like you start thinking about it and you're like, all right, so he's a borderline first round pick. And I do a mock draft. I put him 21 to the Steelers. I do one mock draft. And you would have thought I had put him going in the seventh round, the response. And it wasn't from Dion.
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But the media started believing that, all right, he'll go somewhere in the first round. But my job is different than Lewis Riddick or Mel Kriper or Daniel Jeremiah. My job is to get on the phones and get things from the teams. And I did not have a single team who was like, if Shador falls to us, we're taking him. Right. So... I went through the different teams that needed quarterbacks.
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I put them to the Steelers on a hope and a prayer. And I went on get up on Thursday morning and said, guys, I literally put a blindfold on and pointed to the Steelers and said, if any coach can unilaterally say like, he's my guy, I'm taking him. It's Tomlin. They needed a quarterback. And I know his meeting went really well with them two weeks ago. Like, I know it. He went there Friday.
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He was there for five hours. They loved him. And Arthur Smith liked him. Tomlin liked him. So I'm like, it makes sense. But in the same breath on that episode of Get Up, guys, I was like, or he's not getting drafted in the first round. Right. And then it starts. Now, that's all good. I never, never thought he would slip to day three.
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But in the aftermath of it, you start doing it out and you're like, all right, if a guy comes in, he's like every interview saying, I'm going to change your franchise. I'm going to change your culture. And I've got all this stuff that comes with it. As a starter, you're like, yeah, let's go. But now you're talking about backup.
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It's almost less easy to find a spot to be a backup than it is to be a starter. Right. My last thing on Shador, and we can get into all the aftermath of the prank call and everything, was such an unorthodox, untraditional, unprecedented prospect in the fact that he played for his dad in high school, played for his dad at Jackson State, played for his dad at Colorado.
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It was, you know, you go up to Boulder, everyone tells you like Dion has that thing dialed in, but it's unlike any other program. You know, Bruce Feldman had a quote where he was explaining, like, you go in there, Dion just runs it all. And who could talk to the kid who could talk to this one?
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And like, it's, it's a party, but it's also a very unorthodox situation up there with how Dion was running it. Then he accepts an invite to the East-West Shrine game, and then the NFL sends out a memo. It's like you have to practice and decides not to practice or play in the game.
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Goes to the combine, interviews with teams, and then doesn't work out, which a lot of people have not done, but doesn't do it. And also declined an opportunity to go to the Senior Bowl, declined the Big 12 workout. So you have this unorthodox prospect, and you wouldn't do all that stuff unless you're a first-round pick. Like Caleb Williams can do that stuff. Andrew Luck can do that stuff.
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If you're not a surefire top pick, usually you want to throw and you want to work out and you want to do all this stuff. So it was just an unorthodox thing, but I don't think anyone saw it sliding down to the fifth round. And when he finally was drafted, I think it was a relief for everyone because A, it sucks for the kid. B, it sucks for all the people who are watching it.
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And C, it sucked for the media who all said to the viewers that he was going to be a first round pick.
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So I've heard that multiple places, and I was listening to Rosillo and McShay last night on McShay's podcast. I got back from the draft, and I'm like, I need to unwind. So what am I going to do? I'm going to listen to more draft talk, and they were recapping it all. And I heard Todd listing out what he heard, and then that was – And I think a lot of people said they heard that story too.
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I talked to the Giants daily and I, and I'll tell you, I have not heard that. If what I have heard is that they love Jackson Dart since January. So like this thing, like Dable, like that was his guy. So he loved neighbors last year in the draft and was basically like, that's my guy. And as much as Joe Shane and the staff was with Shador and all that stuff, like, Dable's dude was Dart.
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I did not hear anything of an altercation. And I don't know if it was with Dion or Shador, but as someone who's covering it objectively, and look, I'm not saying there wasn't something because everyone's got different sources, but my contact with the Giants, my conversation with the Giants, that was no such thing. And they actually liked Shador a lot. It just wasn't even a debate.
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It was Shador or Dart, and it was Dart from pretty much January in Dable's eyes.
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Yeah. And I will say this, Tom Pellicero, who's a very good reporter there in NFL Network, came out with his annual column where it's here's 12,000 words on everything. And he had the anonymous quote on Wednesday or Tuesday where it was like it was the worst formal interview I've ever seen. It was anonymous. And everyone's reaction was F this anonymous scout. And why would Tom post this?
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And then afterwards, it was like, oh, well, they tried sullying, you know, and bringing him down. But I don't know if Tom's report was then justified because he went in the fifth round or if you really think like Tom's report was so damaging to Shador that I assure you this.
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a team was not planning on drafting Shador Sanders in the first round and then read a Tom Pelissero column on NFL.com and said, now, wait a second. If a random assistant coach who doesn't have his name on this says that it was a bad interview, well, then we can't take him. So I understand where people get very sensitive about that stuff.
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Tom, it was on his decision to post to actually use it, not use it. He did. He went for it. And then the guy went in the fifth round and a lot of people said it was because of the interview.
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My first week at ESPN was April, and I walked into – Get up and, you know, the topics on get up, which is their morning show in the production meeting is like, should, should, should door go second to the Browns or third to the giants? And I like, I'm like, all right. I'm like, this is my, my new job. And these people are awesome. And I am trying to, and like, I kind of go for it.
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And I'm like, guys, I don't think he necessarily goes in the top 20 and they're like, well, he'll certainly go second. at least to the saints, you know, or he'll go. And I'm like, guys, and then Greenberg's looking at me like, really? And I'm like, yeah, and this is April 1st. I'm like, I don't know. I don't have a team. And I didn't have a team the following week.
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And I didn't have a team the following week. And then I eventually, I'm like, I think Jackson Dart might go before him. And then it was like, what? So yeah, it's this awkward thing where you're like that the rest of the media wasn't going with it just quite yet. And I'm sure there were others. I think McShay was early on it. Like this, this is not, he was going the same way. Yeah.
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And it's it, but it's not comfortable because we don't want to be negative. But when you see everyone else in the consensus saying, Oh, he's a second quarterback off the board. If Cam Ward is the first, like you start questioning your sources, but I have sources in 32 buildings and I did not have a first round team for Shador. I didn't up until the draft.
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No doubt. And I almost think it's not like... The big question is, did Dion cause him to slide? No, Dion did not cause him to slide. This is... if you draft him, you're drafting a player that if he's your starting quarterback, like you said, and you're going all in, like it's not bad as a backup. It's a totally different conversation.
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So I don't think anyone, they didn't, he didn't have the electric speed or the huge arm or the winds or the anything to necessarily be a first round pick. And then once you're not a first round pick, it's, Then it's like, wait, but there's all that that comes with it. Is he definitely dedicated to being a backup?
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Because you never want to get into that thing, but it's like, I remember covering when the Eagles brought in Tebow as like the third string and it couldn't last because cameras, whether it's Tebow's fault or not, cameras weren't dealing with Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez. It was like, let's go right to Tebow. It's just an uncomfortable situation. I don't think it'll be the case in Cleveland.
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Maybe it will, but like, it's an easier spot to draft someone with that celebrity at first round. I will say this about Belichick's interview. Did you guys watch it? Yeah, I just saw the clip. Yeah, I thought that was just a regular girlfriend. Yeah, like people's girlfriends do that all the time. They're always involved in something. I work in television. You guys work in media.
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CBS Sunday Morning is the... the nicest, most pleasant. This is not 60 Minutes. This is not real sports. It's bullshit. They left it in. I would say the opposite. My thought is this. I think you hate love. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I'm on this show. I'm a romantic.
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If that's the version that CBS Sunday Morning did while they're promoting a book for him, What was left on the cutting room floor? Oh, that's really negative of you, Peter.
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I would say that interviewer, Tony from CBS, that was as hard-hitting or as straight-on and direct an interview I've ever seen. Everyone in NFL media where I'm at, it's always timidly going around Belichick, and then you laugh at his snapface thing, even though you don't really think it's funny. This guy is just like, So let's talk about Jordan. I'm like, yeah, good journalism.
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the giants have had the roughest reputational year that a team can imagine with what happened. And it was Saquon. It was hard knocks. It was also Xavier McKinney going on to have about 10 picks and being the best safety in football. And in the matter of three days, Joe Shane and Brian Dable have completely changed the conversation around this team where like every giants fan is like back on board.
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They're like, let's go. And they did it by getting maybe the best player in this draft and Carter and trading back up and smartly trading back up to where they had to get 24, where if you had done it at 16, you might have had to give up too much. They played the game of chicken perfectly with whoever else might have traded up.
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And then to get Scataboo and Marcus Bowe and to get Alexander, every single position of need that they had, they checked the box. And I'm telling you, It reputationally, it's the first ray of light since that hard knock stuff aired last summer. And Joe Shane has been a, you know, a punchline in a lot of places.
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I think today like giants fans and we're doing this Sunday night are like, you know what? Shane did a pretty good job. Now look, they could go three and 14 and that's that. And we laugh about this, but like at the very least they got impact players at better values than anyone expected.
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You know, I actually think the 49ers did a really nice job getting back to their basics. This is a team that always prided themselves on defensive line. And over the years, because of attrition, they've lost Armstead. Bosa wasn't what he was last year as he was in recent years. And then they were just like, we're going to beef up on defensive line.
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They get, you know, Williams in the 11th pick, but then they add another defensive lineman. They add another defensive lineman. And then... If you know that defense, it's like Chris Kocerek is their defensive line coach. He's the one who's always barking, and it's like that is where it all starts for them.
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So I don't know if any of these guys are going to go on to be all pros, but at the very least, Salah and Kocerek, they can get back to basics. They've got this fleet of defensive linemen that they can put around Nick Bosa. And then their last pick, they got this kid, Nathan Rourke, the quarterback, who is – You know, whatever.
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He's a story that if he followed it during the combine, it's one of these long shot stories like he won't play this year. But like that's a guy that I I trust. Kyle Shanahan took a guy in the late rounds at quarterback. I would bank on that other than more than any other coach in the NFL. So they must have seen something in him.
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I think, yeah, you know, I'm not trying to butter up the guy that we're sitting here with, but like I was the biggest Colston Loveland fan in the entire NFL draft process. And I thought... He might've gone seven to the Jets, might've gone eight to the Panthers. Everyone thought it was a reach that he went before Warren.
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I spoke with Bears people the night of the draft and they were like, it's not like we had Loveland like one and then a huge gap in two. It's like it was one and one A and we didn't know if either one of them would be there. And then at the end of the day, they're like, what we do is speed and what we need in this offense. This is the guy he's six foot six guys. Like he is. And he's awesome.
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Two years ago when they actually had a quarterback and JJ McCarthy was throwing, like he was all over the field last year, he was injured. And then there was no quarterback play. The fact he goes before Warren raised a lot of eyes, but like,
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I find it impossible with the hiring of Ben Johnson, with a new offensive line, with bringing in Joe Tooney, with then bringing in this kid, and then also having Luther Burden on the outside, who if you saw Ben Johnson's press conference, he was Jamison Williams' high school teammate. And Jamo was like to Ben Johnson, like, oh, this guy's just like me. He's a dog. He's nuts.
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He's going to be the leader in the locker room. So they have all these new weapons, and like – I think Colston Loveland, I don't know if he's a fantasy guy or not, but I think he makes this Bears offense even scarier. So, Dan, I give you credit. This is a good one.
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Yeah. I can give you a random skill position player and be like, I love the pick of this guy. I was shocked that Quinn Ewers went as late as he went to the Dolphins. I don't know if he's – because you got Zach Wilson as the backup and you got Tua as the starter, but to get him in the seventh round, that was straight up bizarre. Yeah. Um, but the kid that the rant, okay.
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So I'm obviously tied in with the Rams and I know those guys really well. And the kid that they were talking about for like days and days with me. And I know they had a zoom with him the day before or the Wednesday before was the running back at Auburn. Jarquez Hunter is his name. And he's one of these guys that like McVay fell in love with. Les Snead went to Auburn.
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He's an Auburn guy and he's not going to replace Karen Williams, but this is the battering ram that goes with Karen Williams. And like when I tell you they acted as if they'd gotten a first round pick on day three when they got this guy. So just knowing my connection to the Rams, I would assure you that Jarquez Hunter is going to play a role and he's a fourth round pick.
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And they were literally doing flips over adding him as a running back to this team.
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He is. First time I ever worked with Mel Kiper. I had met him before briefly and obviously grew up watching him. And we don't do the same thing. I'm always the one who's like, here's what an NFL team told me. And he's like, here's what I think of a player. I don't think, and for the amazing luck of him, I don't think Mel lives online or on Twitter. I don't think... he saw any of this.
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I don't. And I don't. And I actually think it's really compelling content as much as you guys want to throw a shoe at me. Like it felt like the one thing the internet all agreed on was that like he was in the wrong, but I'm sitting there on the broadcast and I'm at the edge of my seat. And I'm like, this guy's really passionate about this.
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And I actually love that because I worked with Daniel Jeremiah for years. I think he's, the best and the best guy. And you guys know he's amazing. And I've this year working with, with Mel and with field Yates and like Louis Riddick. And these guys do the work. Those guys, I've never seen them actually be upset about a draft pick. It's usually, here's what this guy brings.
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Here's what this guy does. I'll tell you about his game against Ohio state two years ago. And here, this guy's story when he went to Iowa and had to transfer, like, and they're amazing at it. And field Yates is like an encyclopedia. I worked with him this week. I'm like, this guy's amazing. Mel Kiper is passionate and defensive of the players. And I think that's a dying breed.
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So to me, is he okay? I think he's fine. I actually think it actually brought a lot to the broadcast. Now, whether you thought they focused too much on it, that's another question. But I love the fact that he was actually passionate. And if you think he was wrong, that's a different story. But gosh, that added a lot more entertainment value than just hearing...
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All right, here's what I like about this sixth-round pick. Here's what I love about this seventh-round pick. They all can't be superstars, and yet you listen to most of us in the draft thing. We're like, this guy's great, this guy's great, this guy's great. Mel Kiper's like, what about Shador?
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I think he's so in the film and so into his evaluations – I don't think he's considering the fact that Shador has a crew filming him, and that might rub some people wrong. Or that Shador, at an interview, that stuff doesn't... He's a film guy. And he's like, I've watched every snap of Shador Sanders' career. This guy is amazing. This guy is awesome.
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So the fact that he was outraged by it, and you saw him listen off the quarterbacks, I freaking loved it, and I hope he brings that passion back next year. I know I sound like – I would have said that if I was at NFL Network. I would have said that if I'm Peter Schrager, an accountant, Peter Schrager working in a law office somewhere, or Peter Schrager, a garbage man. I love that.
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I thought it was entertaining, and if we don't have that, it's all right. A lot of us, you know, okay, well, what's going on with Shador? Well, I want to – you know, that – Mel brought the fire.
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All right. So if you talk to me like whatever and said the Jaguars are going to trade up to two and the Browns are going to trade down to five, I'm not piling on the Browns at all. they collected all these picks. What's crazy is if you look at the entire Jaguars draft class, you say, okay, they got Travis Hunter and they sacrificed and they gave up a draft pick and that's fine.
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If you look at the entire Browns draft class, They absolutely crushed it. The only oddity is the two quarterbacks. So that steals the headlines. And everyone's like, well, the Browns, what are they thinking? They got Dylan Gabriel. Then two rounds later, they draft Shador. But they added starters at like every position and they picked up a first round pick.
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So I think the head scratcher, of course, is the two quarterbacks. But talking to them yesterday in real time and then this morning, I It's like at 144 and it's the quarterback position and the value is the most important position. Like, all right, we'll take them. But like, if you just ignore the shock and awe of drafting two quarterbacks in rounds like that. they actually did really well.
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So to me, my answer is not dodging a bullet. It's just like, I think a lot of people scratched their heads at why would you take another quarterback? But the truth of the matter is it's kind of a luxury pick. They already did clean up and get a lot of important players.
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Your team did it. You had RG three. And then in the fourth round, you took cousins.
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RG3 was great the first year, and then Cousins was great for the next couple. Yeah, and with the Vikings, yeah. But you're right.
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Yeah. There wasn't any real trades. There was a Sam Howell trade with Schefterbrook, but there wasn't any of those trades. And we had a whole list of names that were going to be traded. I don't think the Steelers are going to make any moves for a bit until they have clarity on Rodgers, obviously.
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I would imagine if Rodgers says no, they might be a team that might be in the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes, but...
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um i i can't imagine i can't imagine the falcons week one paying kirk cousins that salary and having michael pennix be the starter i just don't know where he goes and when but like if you're the falcons you can't have that guy with that salary as much as they say it and this is just me talking i know the nfl well enough where like that guy's that guy can't be on the right he's a great teammate and the whole thing and he showed up to spring camp but you can't be paying him that number to be a backup
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Okay, so let's go through that. So I think it's not going to all be at once. They're going to build, but they've already established UK can do it. They established Germany can do it. They established Brazil can do it. What he said, which was wild, is he's like, you know, we're thinking about going to Asia. And now I'm like, okay. And
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What they do is they show up in the city, and then it's a two-week event, and there's flag football. There's all these things. It's almost like a traveling road show. I do think he means it, and that was a real report, and he said it, that 16 games is not off the table and that they figure it out scheduling-wise.
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And as for London, I can't imagine there's going to be a Super Bowl there, but guess what? If they have 16 games internationally and London becomes a market where there's multiple games a year, it's certainly going to be in the conversation, especially with the popularity in the stadiums.
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And right now, I don't see it happening in the next two to three, four Super Bowl assignments, but it could happen. Absolutely. I didn't think there would ever be more than three international games. They're talking about a full schedule now. And here's what's interesting with that. I worked on Fox's pregame show for years.
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And it was like, we'd have crazy ratings at our little kickoff show, which was before the big one. Now it's from 11 to 12 Eastern. But when they would have these international games, Nobody watched. You'd rather watch any game than a pregame show talking about the other games. So you'd go over to ESPN or NFL Network, wherever it was, and those games start at 9.30 Eastern.
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It's usually in the fourth quarter when the pregame shows are going on. If you have 16 games, my question is, does that single-handedly cripple the idea of a Sunday pregame show? No. I feel like most fans, even if it's Jaguars, Titans, or it's Saints, Bucks, most fans, you watch the game over hearing what the guys have to say about the games coming up.
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So I wonder about the windows, the time windows, because if you do a 16-game international schedule, the thought process would be, That's another package you can sell. You can sell that to Netflix. Hey, here's a full season. You can sell it to Amazon and it's the 9.30 a.m. early window, Eastern.
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And then it goes games at 9.30 to 1, games from 1 to 4, and then games from 4 to 7, and then your game at 7. And it's just all day. And it's kind of cool, but I'm a sentimental guy. I would hope to think that those pregame shows still exist, even if there's games in that window. Yeah. Well, what happens if it's in Asia with the time zones?
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Yeah. Yeah. They figure it out. I'm sure they're not, I'm sure they're not going to just drop it into whatever time slot they'd figure it out and we'd work around it. But like, you know, there's gonna be three Christmas games moving forward. There were no Christmas games two years ago. Like that's, that's what they do. And it's, it's, It's what they're going to be doing.
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And the schedule is coming out May 14th. I'm curious to see some of these windows, some of these games where who gets the international, like I I'm a geek with this stuff. Like I think schedule release day is, I know we all roll our eyes and social media teams do it. Like,
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I find the science behind the schedule, and I know the guys who are working on it, this guy Mike North, this other woman Charlotte Carey, like Ani Bowes, these guys, this is – once the season ends, this is their full-time job. They are working on every permutation to make sense so that no team feels screwed, but also you get the most maximum eyeballs when possible. So as little as like –
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Does Travis Hunter give the Jaguars more than one primetime game? I love that shit. So that's going to be May 14th, and that's really the next milestone. But the international games, we're going to find out. When, where, who, and the matchups coming up.
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He did his tour and met with or spoke with the Giants, spoke with the Steelers. He told the Giants, said, hey, look, I'm going to be completely transparent with you. I have no timetable. I don't know when I'm going to know. And I don't know if I'm going to come back. And if that doesn't work with you, totally cool. Move on. No resentment here. I just have to be completely straight up and honest.
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And he and Dable got along really well. And Dable went back and him and Shane were like, we can't wait on him. They signed Jameis. They signed Russell Wilson. They drafted a quarterback. They're on their way. The Steelers approach was the same exact thing. He had an awesome meeting with them. They hit it off. It was great. And they left it as like, okay. And they didn't sign another player.
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And they drafted Will Howard in the draft. And now it's Mason Rudolph and Will Howard. And they're waiting. But he was transparent with them all along. And I could tell you as of... Sunday night when we're recording this, he has not given them any word whether he's coming or not yet.
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You know who we're... Okay, I'm going to think about a fired up coach that I can get... Okay, you know who... I'll tell you who's fired up and I would have to even Google like, and you guys can bring it up. I spoke with both guys in Minnesota today and I know they were at the Timberwolves Lakers game, but like the Minnesota Vikings were really fired up about their draft. And I can't even tell.
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I think they took Donovan Jackson in the first round, an offensive lineman. Do you have the Minnesota draft class? I would love to go through it because I literally cannot recall who they got in other rounds. And yet both of them were like fired. They got fired.
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If you're a Vikings fan, they didn't go timidly into this thing. They had their interests, what they wanted, and talking to Quasey, talking to O'Connell, fired up, and we did very well this week. They traded for Sam Howell, right? Oh, yeah, they did. They got Sam Howell, such a veteran quarterback. I don't think that's what's got them doing flips, but it's nice to have a guy.
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Tampa Bay was fired up. Tampa Bay spoke to those guys. They didn't think that they were going to get a chance to get a buka there, and there he lies there at that end. And then let me give you a name of a guy that they were in. You could tell Stephen Shea this. They were fired up about, hold on, I'll get you the name here. Shiloh Sanders. No. David Walker.
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Let's do a little David Walker deep dive here, folks. I don't know what position he plays. I don't know anything. I'm just checking the text here. David Walker, Buccaneers. And this is not embarrassing to me. This is what it is. Okay. Fourth round outside linebacker, David Walker. All right. Former... All right, that's it. This is good radio and good podcasting. David Walker, that's the guy.
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Lost a lot of Miami. I don't understand. Would he run like a 5'2", 40? Maybe, but like that guy, it's a classic case of like, I watched college football. That guy makes a play every single time they throw it to him. Cam Ward loves him and he's going to the Titans. I love that. Watch Restrepo is going to be like the number three receiver and he'll have 60 catches and he'll be a great NFL player.
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But like, how does he not get drafted? I don't get it. I know it's a slow 40 big deal. That guy made plays all season long and was the number one guy for that quarterback. So I'm a big Isaiah Restrepo fan.
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Yeah.
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I said Isaiah Restrepo. It's Xavier Restrepo.
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Hopefully you guys knew. I was so, I was so intimidated listening to McShay and Rusillo because they're watching it in real time and they know everything. I'm like, I, I cover the NFL from a different angle. I don't watch a ton of college football, so I felt so emasculated listening to them being like, oh, Neal, the running back out of Kansas. Remember what he did?
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I'm like, that's a different world. I do the draft. That's what I do.
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Is there a relationship? Do you guys know each other? We're just great friends. We're just great friends.
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We're driving over to the draft yesterday, Saturday morning. And I did say to Mel Kiper, I'm like, you know, Mel, I don't know you that well. I'm like,
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every time you do an interview it's like you bring the same energy and the same juice even when it's like local like jacksonville espn every time i hear you like you always bring it i'm like you're so good it goes ah i love doing it i feel like such an honor still 42 years in and i'm like i i vaguely remember you doing one with with pmt like i love those guys do you do you remember it he goes is that big cat i go yes that's a big cat he goes he goes
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He goes, yeah, yeah, those guys are great. Those guys are great. Big cat. I love the big cat. Big cat. And I'm like, all right, there you go. So I don't know. What year was that?
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So that was the first thing he thought of when he had it.
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Yeah, it did. And I don't think he even knows that the internet even is commenting on it.
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Even better. Afterwards, he took a car back to the hotel, and I saw him walking around the lobby, and I'm like, all right, he's fine.
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It's back, dude. I want to get back on the bus. Let's go.