Aaron Smith-Levin

So therefore, no one else is going to accomplish it as well.

If L. Ron Hubbard had accomplished it, Miscavige knows, well, he didn't write it up.

He didn't leave instructions for how anyone else would accomplish it.

So no matter what, Miscavige knows

That the fundamental promise that what Scientology is saying they will be able to deliver to mankind is a lie.

Now, it's going to sound like I'm contradicting myself because it sounds like I'm saying, well, he knows it's bullshit.

I think he believes that L. Ron Hubbard just failed to finish his work.

And he's kind of hoping L. Ron Hubbard is going to come back to finish the job.

Because L. Ron Hubbard did tell the people at the international management base, at least a core of them, that he was coming back.

Now, we know that David Miscavige believed this because right around the 21-year mark, he was supposed to come back like 21 years after he died.

Right around the 21-year mark, David Miscavige was getting busy putting some things in place that had to get done in case L. Ron Hubbard came back.

So we know he at least believed to that level.

If you were full OT, you could.

I'm going to answer this question by first connecting some dots.

Yes.

Okay.

We spoke earlier in the interview about achieving your native godlike state.

That in Scientology is called native state.

Okay.

Native state and full operating thetan mean the exact same thing.