Abbie Chatfield

That's how I feel.

That's what I think.

I think a lot of them are frustrated that they can't create a baby.

They can't be the ones that have this quote unquote power to create a human being, to create life.

Yes, yes.

They feel so disenfranchised by the fact that they aren't the ones that are having the ultimate sacrifice.

They try to find other examples of them sacrificing, i.e.

taking the bins out and doing physically demanding tasks like, I can't even think, what are they, like carrying the baby bag home?

Like what are we fucking?

She's also breastfeeding, by the way.

That's a bit physically demanding as well.

So I think this is just men wanting to find all these conversations that men have around abortion, around caregiving, around custody even.

This saying, well, just because you gave birth doesn't mean that you have control over it.

It's because they want control.

If men were the ones to give birth, if men were the ones to give birth to

Can you imagine how controlling and abusive they would be if they were the ones who, well, I made it so I can do whatever I want with it.

They're upset that they've lost their little – one little point.

Although it isn't one little point.

It's actually the whole reason why we're all here.

Now –