Abigoliah Schamaun

So Joe and I have we've made the lofty goal of coming in to the charts.

No, no pressure to buy the book.

But if you wanted to buy the book, please do.

And if you want to buy the book, if you preorder, what happens is everything that's preordered counts to the first week of sales.

It's like, boom, all of a sudden you've sold 3000 books going from zero to 3000.

And that's how people jump in the charts.

Can I be honest, Joe?

I set myself lofty goals like this for my career all the time, and none of them has ever come to fruition.

I'll be okay.

It'll just be another thing I tried to do.

And I, you know,

perfect i failed at abigail is always shooting for the moon and and uh and i land among the stars so so yeah so that that's my uh that's that's my whole thing is just for our pedantic listeners we know that's not how the moon and stars work right but it is before you reach the stars i've never really put all that together before i just know it's a saying

Well, of course, because they burn out and they take several light years to reach us.

Did you write a strongly worded letter to the creator of that sign?

Before we get into the interview, one more bit of admin and then we will go on.

And Joe, this is the first time you're hearing this as well.

So this is what happens when we go.

We have to do this quick.

Just press record.

I put a little poll on our Patreon asking if people would like the monthly bonus episode to be audio only or what they prefer, audio or video.