Adam Buxton

But he just...

You know, numbers wise, he's definitely in a stronger position.

And that means that he can attract guests that I probably couldn't get.

And usually that's not a problem because he tends to go for slightly different people.

But every now and again, there will be someone I would really like to speak to.

And if it's a choice between my podcast and his, they're probably going to go on his.

You know what I mean?

Just because the numbers dictate it.

How bothered are you by the numbers?

Well, I mean, generally not that much.

I don't check analytics or anything like that unless I'm asked to do so, which happens every now and again.

But I strongly resent all that.

I really do.

hate it and I think it's corrosive certainly for me I appreciate that for some people it's useful and it's a useful metric for gauging how the thing is going and what they need to work on and that's the way they see the project but for me that's not how I see it I feel like I want to spend all my time trying to make the actual podcast as good as possible doing stupid ads and doing the jingles and kind of crafting the universe of the podcast as much as I can so I'll spend loads of time on that

and any other time like promoting it or checking the numbers or worrying about like which guest is gonna get bigger numbers than the other guest and all that kind of stuff just takes time away from the main thing.

They have little bullshit filters in their walls.

That's why they're invested in you in the first place.

And they may have... That's not to say you're not interested in how they feel or if they get in touch and they have criticism or whatever.

Fine, you engage with that.

But...