Adam Buxton

That just never worked out, doing all those types of shows and trying to make the transition into more regular TV.

And so that's how we ended up on the radio, really.

And after a short period of thinking, is this a step down?

Are we going backwards?

Because that's kind of how I started, was doing local radio in Cheltenham when I was studying at art college there.

But actually it was the best thing that ever happened to us in so many ways.

And those are some of the things that I'm proudest of, those moments.

Although it was so ephemeral, you know.

I mean, I think there's clips flying around on the internet of me and Joe on Six Music, but not that many really.

It just sort of evaporates.

But it was really fun.

I really liked that.

And so anyway, when that finished and when he got too busy, I had some wilderness years where I really didn't know what I was doing and what I was gonna do.

And I did a show called Bug where I introduced music videos.

And actually, that was really good.

But it didn't... I was introducing other people's work, really.

I wasn't doing my own thing.

And I would put my own bits in there as well.

But it was only when I started doing the podcast, my own podcast in 2015, that...

that it felt possible to be silly and have stupid elements, but also actually talk about real things and genuine feelings and hangups and things like that.