Adam Outland

But I find that a lot of them have to have gotten what they had. They have to have a certain amount of self-worth and self-value that they've crested over to accomplish things of a magnitude. And with that sometimes comes some defensiveness around change or a defensiveness of them maybe not verbalizing this. But I'm imagined you've maybe heard at some point, Patrick, you don't know my business.

But I find that a lot of them have to have gotten what they had. They have to have a certain amount of self-worth and self-value that they've crested over to accomplish things of a magnitude. And with that sometimes comes some defensiveness around change or a defensiveness of them maybe not verbalizing this. But I'm imagined you've maybe heard at some point, Patrick, you don't know my business.

You don't know. what we're doing. So how do you overcome that?

You don't know. what we're doing. So how do you overcome that?

Yeah, interesting.

Yeah, interesting.

Reminds me of a book called Tribal Leadership. I don't know if you've read this, but I think you'd like it. There's, you know, a category of stages that the Stanford professor observed in different culture and communities. The lowest level was like the kind you see in prisons, which is like defined by the affirmation, my life sucks. Yeah. That was the way they had to write it and put it.

Reminds me of a book called Tribal Leadership. I don't know if you've read this, but I think you'd like it. There's, you know, a category of stages that the Stanford professor observed in different culture and communities. The lowest level was like the kind you see in prisons, which is like defined by the affirmation, my life sucks. Yeah. That was the way they had to write it and put it.

They didn't see the way out. And then the second tier, it becomes a little bit less my life sucks and they can see others have it great. It's my life sucks, but other people have it great. There's someone near them that's succeeding, probably a manager or a leader. And then level three is I'm great, but you're not.

They didn't see the way out. And then the second tier, it becomes a little bit less my life sucks and they can see others have it great. It's my life sucks, but other people have it great. There's someone near them that's succeeding, probably a manager or a leader. And then level three is I'm great, but you're not.

And this is the prolific in the corporate world, lawyers, doctors, in an order to be the greatest, they can't have competition in their office, right? It's always proving it's a survivalist. And then level four is we are great. And level five is life is great. And there are very few companies that operate at that level.

And this is the prolific in the corporate world, lawyers, doctors, in an order to be the greatest, they can't have competition in their office, right? It's always proving it's a survivalist. And then level four is we are great. And level five is life is great. And there are very few companies that operate at that level.

But just kind of connecting these dots in my head as I hear you talk, it's a little bit of that. Am I hearing this somewhat right?

But just kind of connecting these dots in my head as I hear you talk, it's a little bit of that. Am I hearing this somewhat right?

Oh, yeah. And one of the things that you talk about is how to break the cycle of distraction. What does that look like in motion when you're working with someone?

Oh, yeah. And one of the things that you talk about is how to break the cycle of distraction. What does that look like in motion when you're working with someone?

What's your personal practice to remain clear? Because as I think we both agree, it's sometimes it's easy to see than others. It's harder even for us to apply some of this thinking to ourselves at times because it gets cloudy.

What's your personal practice to remain clear? Because as I think we both agree, it's sometimes it's easy to see than others. It's harder even for us to apply some of this thinking to ourselves at times because it gets cloudy.

Having done a lot of these transformative things yourself, put them in motion for clients, what advice would you give yourself many years ago? What do you think that young version of yourself could use?

Having done a lot of these transformative things yourself, put them in motion for clients, what advice would you give yourself many years ago? What do you think that young version of yourself could use?