Al Robertson

is a disoriented love.

To me, the idea of progressive sanctification is just how do we reorient that to its proper end.

That's the joy that's sitting out there.

No, I think that's a great point, too, the process of it.

And...

I think Eugene Peterson said it's – or I think Nietzsche actually said it first.

It's a long obedience in the same direction.

But I think that's the – when you mentioned that – it's long.

It's extended.

I mean it's the mundane moments that really form the person in our gut, that gut you were talking about.

Do you think that that's one of the reasons why spiritual formation takes kind of a backseat in a lot of preaching?

Because it's not that light switch moment.

It's a hard sell.

Well, I had to go home and get something.

And I walked to work this morning, so I ran down to the house, put on this shirt, ran back.

But I caught the tail end of that.

And, yes, two means two minutes.

There's no question.

The walk to the house, it'll get the calories burning.

The walk down is enjoyable.