Alan Sisto

That's right.

Absolutely.

So Saruman then puts on a show.

He sends out his own orcs and wolves to chase Gandalf.

I mean, come on.

He knows full well that he has zero chance of catching him.

He's not only halfway to Edoras, he's, you know, in the air.

So you're not going to... But this isn't about the chase.

This is purely performative.

This is about showing the Nazgul, I've got power too, look at me.

And also to sort of encourage them, just get, get off my lawn, you know?

Yeah, that's...

That's not cool, but that's who Saruman is.

Now, in this version, again, this is version C, Wormtongue is not on his way back to Isengard from Edoras.

Instead, it's the other way around.

He had just left Saruman and was heading back to Rohan.

So now that Saruman has got a little peace and quiet, he's got rid of his orcs and wolves, he's got rid of Wormtongue, the Nazgul are heading off, he heads up to the tower to think.

I think you're in trouble, and there's not much you can do about it now.

That's the only scenario in which, well, and even then, there's...

Yeah.