Alastair Campbell

He's a democratic elected politician, but we kind of we know where he's coming from.

And he said this about our great country.

Highways create traffic jams.

Welfare creates poverty.

Schools make people dumb and the NHS make people sick.

This is not a guy who, it strikes me, has our values in the same place.

No.

Carp now.

Carp.

Are they good Germans or bad Germans that he's surrounded with?

Do they not understand that because I don't think they've explained what they do well at all, we once discussed them on the podcast and they called me in for a briefing and it was interesting and they were obviously putting their best foot forward and trying to persuade me they're really good people.

But I actually don't think they've done a very good job explaining who they are and what they do.

Is that the sort of tech bro arrogance that I think most of them share, that they don't think it's their job to do that?

But I don't think the governments that are using them have done a very good job either.

So essentially, governments who are using them are very much back on the defensive.

And the public, you talk about them being scared, I think the public feel very, very scared that guys like this are right at the heart of...

The wars in the Middle East, right at the heart of Ukraine.

Are these the people that now have not just economic power, but are developing military power as well?

Isn't that a bit scary?

It's amazing how these people all see themselves as good.