Alastair Campbell

We're talking now about a guy who is presenting himself as the next prime minister, who has thus far, so far as I can work out,

addressed this issue zero, other than saying he was a bad apple.

And do you know what that reminded me of?

It was exactly the defense used by News International over the phone hacking.

One bad apple.

Well, let's be assured of that by properly investigating

Russia's attempted influence on UK democracy, and that will involve talking to people like Farage, other party leaders, etc.

But we are kidding ourselves if we think that Russia puts... Your point about this going to Putin, this is a strategic interest for them.

Putin taking an interest in the corruption of a Welsh member of the European Parliament, right?

Who else and what else is he interested in?

And you and I, for saying things like that, get portrayed by people on the right and on the hard left, apologies, as sort of cranks, almost like paranoid cranks.

But the point is, they do this stuff for a reason.

And Nathan Gill should be a massive, massive warning cry to the rest of our politics and our democracy.

And the extent to which both politics and media, it seems to me, are now just saying, oh, well, Nathan Gill's gone to jail.

That's the end of that.

It's pathetic.

Not against this trip.

The rest is politics.

No sanctions on trip.

Okay, Roy, let's take a break and then come back and talk about the BBC, West Bank, and also Addiction Awareness Week.