Alex Pall

no, you can't look at this shit retroactively.

There's a grind story behind everybody.

People grind to product market fits.

Sometimes they just stumble on it and they make it and it goes and it works forever.

But usually, I'm sure if you talk to any long lasting, successful CEO or founder, there's been moments where they're like, fuck, my strategy is not working anymore.

And I have to go back to eating shit, making phone calls, begging people, finessing relationships to get myself through the next hurdle.

Where do they come from?

Do they have a self-starter mentality?

What have they done?

Do they just go and work here for a while?

What did you do before this that makes me believe that you're going to be able to fuck shit up when it gets hard?

Keep rethinking things.

Keep having the tenacity that gets you through the hurdles that we see.

And so that's what he wants.

Well, you can tell him I'm going to be thinking about that for the rest of the week.

Right now I'm trying to think about back to the question of dumbing things down.

It's like, we always feel like we're learning new stuff and there's new practices.

I mean, like making music is a never ending ladder.

My drum teacher told me that when I was like nine years old and it's the most true thing I've learned about my musical journey.

And I think now at this point, you know, we're always learning new things, but like with the abundance of things that we have learned, how do they not get in the way of our success?