Alex Tarnava
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And I told him about my project and he said, this is the worst pseudoscience I've ever heard in my life. Not what you wanted to hear. Yeah. Well, he gave me a list of reasons why it wouldn't work. Why you like hydrogen has no role in the body. And even if it did, you should inhale it and not drink it because of the low saturation point. And, If you'd like, we can get into that later.
And I told him about my project and he said, this is the worst pseudoscience I've ever heard in my life. Not what you wanted to hear. Yeah. Well, he gave me a list of reasons why it wouldn't work. Why you like hydrogen has no role in the body. And even if it did, you should inhale it and not drink it because of the low saturation point. And, If you'd like, we can get into that later.
The pharmacokinetics of inhalation and water are actually completely different. So they hit different organs in different ways. But because I'd read every study to date on hydrogen as a therapeutic, like at that time, I was able to rebut all of his responses with peer reviewed evidence. And he came back to me and said, like, I'm actually in shock. Right.
The pharmacokinetics of inhalation and water are actually completely different. So they hit different organs in different ways. But because I'd read every study to date on hydrogen as a therapeutic, like at that time, I was able to rebut all of his responses with peer reviewed evidence. And he came back to me and said, like, I'm actually in shock. Right.
The pharmacokinetics of inhalation and water are actually completely different. So they hit different organs in different ways. But because I'd read every study to date on hydrogen as a therapeutic, like at that time, I was able to rebut all of his responses with peer reviewed evidence. And he came back to me and said, like, I'm actually in shock. Right.
I still don't really believe it, but there's enough that I can help you out. Sure. Right. So he starts tweaking my formula. I'm sending him a new publication every day just to pique his interest because I'm really excited about the project. And he calls me for lunch. And serendipitously, I sent him this clinical trial on a certain disease state, and it was a decent size.
I still don't really believe it, but there's enough that I can help you out. Sure. Right. So he starts tweaking my formula. I'm sending him a new publication every day just to pique his interest because I'm really excited about the project. And he calls me for lunch. And serendipitously, I sent him this clinical trial on a certain disease state, and it was a decent size.
I still don't really believe it, but there's enough that I can help you out. Sure. Right. So he starts tweaking my formula. I'm sending him a new publication every day just to pique his interest because I'm really excited about the project. And he calls me for lunch. And serendipitously, I sent him this clinical trial on a certain disease state, and it was a decent size.
And it was using a high concentration at the time, about five parts per million over a liter a day. And it found pretty good results in this group, in this population. And I was not aware, but his current job was developing small molecules for this exact study. Wow. And he said, you know, with the other studies you've sent, I'm not a subject matter expert. Right.
And it was using a high concentration at the time, about five parts per million over a liter a day. And it found pretty good results in this group, in this population. And I was not aware, but his current job was developing small molecules for this exact study. Wow. And he said, you know, with the other studies you've sent, I'm not a subject matter expert. Right.
And it was using a high concentration at the time, about five parts per million over a liter a day. And it found pretty good results in this group, in this population. And I was not aware, but his current job was developing small molecules for this exact study. Wow. And he said, you know, with the other studies you've sent, I'm not a subject matter expert. Right.
So I just have to trust the findings, look at the methodology and trust the researchers. But with this, I am. And unless this is fraud, this works and it works better than the molecules I'm developing. Right. Are you interested in commercializing this? Right. So I thought long and hard about it. Um, I had no expertise in this area.
So I just have to trust the findings, look at the methodology and trust the researchers. But with this, I am. And unless this is fraud, this works and it works better than the molecules I'm developing. Right. Are you interested in commercializing this? Right. So I thought long and hard about it. Um, I had no expertise in this area.
So I just have to trust the findings, look at the methodology and trust the researchers. But with this, I am. And unless this is fraud, this works and it works better than the molecules I'm developing. Right. Are you interested in commercializing this? Right. So I thought long and hard about it. Um, I had no expertise in this area.
Um, and I was just doing this as a do it yourself project for my own health, but I figured why not? What do I have to lose? I can learn as I go, let's do this. Right. So I proceeded forward and, uh, It only took a few weeks to refine. There wasn't much changes to my formulation to get to work in a mortar and pestle. But then the hard work started.
Um, and I was just doing this as a do it yourself project for my own health, but I figured why not? What do I have to lose? I can learn as I go, let's do this. Right. So I proceeded forward and, uh, It only took a few weeks to refine. There wasn't much changes to my formulation to get to work in a mortar and pestle. But then the hard work started.
Um, and I was just doing this as a do it yourself project for my own health, but I figured why not? What do I have to lose? I can learn as I go, let's do this. Right. So I proceeded forward and, uh, It only took a few weeks to refine. There wasn't much changes to my formulation to get to work in a mortar and pestle. But then the hard work started.
We quickly realized that doing this in mass, making millions of tablets at high speed is dramatically different for safety, for getting the reaction right, everything, than making 20 in a mortar and pestle, mixing by hand and then hand pressing. It took us a year to... over 2,000 iterative adjustments, and 15 failed scale-up attempts at manufacturing to get our first production-ready tablet. Wow.
We quickly realized that doing this in mass, making millions of tablets at high speed is dramatically different for safety, for getting the reaction right, everything, than making 20 in a mortar and pestle, mixing by hand and then hand pressing. It took us a year to... over 2,000 iterative adjustments, and 15 failed scale-up attempts at manufacturing to get our first production-ready tablet. Wow.
We quickly realized that doing this in mass, making millions of tablets at high speed is dramatically different for safety, for getting the reaction right, everything, than making 20 in a mortar and pestle, mixing by hand and then hand pressing. It took us a year to... over 2,000 iterative adjustments, and 15 failed scale-up attempts at manufacturing to get our first production-ready tablet. Wow.