Alex Wissner-Gross

But my understanding is even at earlier times of of financing of Manus, they were sort of playing it multiple ways.

They were they a Chinese company?

Were they Singapore based or Chinese?

were they based in Palo Alto?

And if I remember correctly, they also had like a Palo Alto presence.

They were trying to sort of be all things to all people.

This is saying precedent, right?

Yes.

There's the U.S.

sphere, there's the China's sphere, and there's everything else.

And I think it's very difficult to straddle those at this point.

I view this as really a short-term problem because if you believe that we're in an era of either present or near future recursive self-improvement, most of the research is going to be conducted by AI agents anyway, and those can be firmly planted on US soil with no risk that they'll fly to China.

You're not sleeping through the singularity.

Have you built it without telling me?

So Brian, quick question for you, Brian.

So I just want to pull on the thread of this title.

I think one of the many elephants in the room is whether there's intrinsic competition between the platforms that you're using, frontier models, presumably you're using some combination of frontier models and your own pre-trained models, perhaps hopefully, or post-trained models.

But regardless, I understand from public press releases, you are using Claude, you are using open AI models.

They're

partners for the company.