Alisa Donovan

That's dangerous.

Whereas, and again, I'm not trying, I know I'm interviewing you and not her, but I really, I meant everything I said in the beginning that there is an integrity and a groundedness and a humility about the way that you speak and the things that you say that feels very authentic to me and feels like,

you are healing through this and understanding your position and the others and actually putting the pain into purpose in a real way and in not a performative way.

Like it just feels very different when I hear you and when I read the things that you write and the things that you say, it feels different to me.

This is exactly, this is how I felt in listening to it.

And I was very confused by that.

And then like, oh, you're not going to talk to anyone else.

Oh, but I will.

I'll talk to my castmate who is famous and on television.

Oh, okay.

I'll talk to him too.

I just like...

it gives me, it doesn't sit right with me.

Right.

Right.

Sometimes we need to just listen a little bit.

I know I'm sure.

And I'm certainly not trying to like exploit you in any way.

So we won't, we can, I just had to, that's my own feeling.

No, but I did listen to her because, again, I just watched The Vow again and I was watching her episodes of like – no, tell me about that one.