Alisa Donovan

What do I need to listen to?

That's a whole other episode for you and I to talk about because I just like from top to bottom there.

Again, I also want to say, you know, we're all a product of our experiences and it's what we choose to

do with that.

And I, I can appreciate that Nancy talks about her, her growing up and the problems that she had as a child and with her mom.

Like I get that we all, you know, those things imprint us and then we, you know, go through life.

So, but we have to be accountable to us at a certain point.

Like we all have baggage.

We all have things that we've been through.

And then

you know, we can't, you have to say she is a hundred percent culpable, but yes, she's also a victim of his like, again, very complicated, but.

That's a flat out lie.

To my face.

That is like a blatant lie.

Right.

I definitely will.

All right.

Before we close and talk about your new book that you have coming out and all the great work that you are doing, we should say that Keith is in prison.

In jail.

For like a bazillion years.