Alisa Donovan

It's 120 years since.

plus life or something like that like or it's he's not getting out which is great and uh another um quote like these walks that he would go on with people again like the disrupting people's sleep and making them get up in the middle of the night and go on these walks with him and but in particular he's talking to bonnie and says something i wrote that

she's left the cult, right?

Or she's trying to leave.

And he's like, you know, you'll, he says something to the effect of you'll pass out.

But when you're serving humanity and your inner self, you know, you're blowing it from a spiritual perspective.

Feeling enslaved is a good, you know, it's a good first step.

What?

It's just like, and thankfully she was like, I think I'm still going to go.

I think I'm still going to exit.

So do you ever think about Keith?

And if you do, actually more than that, do you think there was a moment?

Did you have a moment when you were like, oh, he's left my psyche.

Like he's left my brain.

Or do you think about him at all still?

Let's talk about, you said there's no playbook for leaving a cult.

Can you talk about some of the warning signs that people should look out for and what advice you would give to people listening who could be in one right now?

Right.

Right.

Well, because there's a certain thing you have to do, right?