Amanda Carpenter

And that is not where the growth is.

It just isn't, period.

And thank God, thank God the growth is with the streamers where there's much more independence.

I mean, it's the reason why the bulwark is so extremely successful is because it's been innovative and nimble and taken advantage of the new ground that's being plowed.

And this is like always the story when it comes to

not only media, but America invention in general is that we evolve and this is clearly evolving.

And so, you know, it's terrible.

It's absolutely awful.

What happened to CBS news?

It's awful.

What's going to happen to CNN most likely, but there's gotta be people who are ready to plow time and energy into the new ground.

And that's places like the bulwark.

I mean, there's no reason there can't be news gathering operations with the same degree of editorial excellence and

and news reporting determination as existed in other places.

And so that's kind of where I am.

And if the government was going to stamp down on these old dinosaurs, let them die and let's just start the new era.

Or we were a smaller country with fewer people.

Yeah, but I will say, I mean, the one thing where bulwark was really wise is that the membership protects the stream, right?

Like, once you are a member to these new media outlets, you are...

protected from what the algorithm may give you.