Amanda Carpenter

There's all kinds of reasons why.

I'm really glad you did your book because I think we have to understand why people go along with this in America specifically.

And I think the absurdity of Trump provides a lot of plausible deniability, which makes the story I write funny, I think, to me, but also really dark.

But, yeah, this is a subject I am endlessly fascinated by.

And one thing in your book.

When it comes to how people cope, and maybe this is funny, but I can't not think about it.

I think about it probably every other couple of days.

Yeah, I do.

You talk to Caroline Wren, who was like a donor, like she was adjacent to the donor and Bannon people.

And I think she's still in it.

But is it true?

Am I remembering it right that she took nine Xanax on January 6th?

Yeah.

Or like a tremendous amount?

I don't remember the number off the top of my head.

Yeah, I just read it and I was just like, these people are in, and I don't feel sorry for her, but they're in huge emotional distress.

Right?

Yeah.

And so they have ways of coping through it to really just numb themselves to the consequences of what they're doing.

And I just like, that's a lot, right?