Amanda Scott

And I'm wondering, while designing a school, were they also redesigning the nature of learning?

Or was it just a very exciting building?

Do you happen to know that?

Yes.

Yes, in a school that has been recreated.

Interesting.

Yes, for people who haven't listened to the back catalogue, we're talking about biomimicry, which Janine Benyus probably didn't single-handedly bring into being, but it certainly feels that way.

And I think we're now on biomimicry 3.8 in terms of their continual upgrading of their understanding of the amazing things that we can learn from the natural world.

And it seems to me...

I still want to talk about some of the things on the book.

I want to come to language in a minute.

But you said earlier on that humanity is probably not the most important node in the hyper-complex system that is the web of life.

It seems to me that if Lovelock is right, he has hypothesised that perhaps the organism that is Gaia stored as much energy as was technically possible during the Carboniferous as oil and coal and then released it or allowed it to be released in one blip

so that a species us

could bring the whole of our creativity to bear in the creation of a system.

And we are doing that.

We're doing it slightly unconsciously.

We're doing it very unconsciously.

What would happen if we really stepped into our position in the web where we were self-conscious nodes in the web of life?

We might not be the only ones.