Amjad Masad

We call ourselves a slow unicorn. So it took us around 10 years to become a unicorn because we picked up an industry which was not revolutionized by internet. So the restaurant industry started 500 years ago. So Amazon came, revolutionized something, Uber revolutionized something. But no one did anything in terms of food. So that's where we picked our battle. There was no playbook to play on.

We call ourselves a slow unicorn. So it took us around 10 years to become a unicorn because we picked up an industry which was not revolutionized by internet. So the restaurant industry started 500 years ago. So Amazon came, revolutionized something, Uber revolutionized something. But no one did anything in terms of food. So that's where we picked our battle. There was no playbook to play on.

We call ourselves a slow unicorn. So it took us around 10 years to become a unicorn because we picked up an industry which was not revolutionized by internet. So the restaurant industry started 500 years ago. So Amazon came, revolutionized something, Uber revolutionized something. But no one did anything in terms of food. So that's where we picked our battle. There was no playbook to play on.

So we were not any XYZ of India. So we built it our own, our own learnings. Did a lot of mistakes. So we started with one brand on the high street. Then we went to dark kitchens with one brand. Then we realized people order McDonald's, never a salad from McDonald's. So each cuisine need to have one brand. So we started building multi-brand.

So we were not any XYZ of India. So we built it our own, our own learnings. Did a lot of mistakes. So we started with one brand on the high street. Then we went to dark kitchens with one brand. Then we realized people order McDonald's, never a salad from McDonald's. So each cuisine need to have one brand. So we started building multi-brand.

So we were not any XYZ of India. So we built it our own, our own learnings. Did a lot of mistakes. So we started with one brand on the high street. Then we went to dark kitchens with one brand. Then we realized people order McDonald's, never a salad from McDonald's. So each cuisine need to have one brand. So we started building multi-brand.

And one core value of ours is to challenge the status quo. So we keep challenging the way food business is being run. So today we operate 400 kitchens from four countries, 20 brands, and we serve 10 million meals a month. That's been our journey. And recently we got Wendy's to India.

And one core value of ours is to challenge the status quo. So we keep challenging the way food business is being run. So today we operate 400 kitchens from four countries, 20 brands, and we serve 10 million meals a month. That's been our journey. And recently we got Wendy's to India.

And one core value of ours is to challenge the status quo. So we keep challenging the way food business is being run. So today we operate 400 kitchens from four countries, 20 brands, and we serve 10 million meals a month. That's been our journey. And recently we got Wendy's to India.

So Wendy's, a hundred years old company, the first time in the history, they could open 150 locations in span of 18 months. So that's the kind of scale to bring on. But it took a lot of time for us to understand mistakes, go back, redraw, and a lot of backers and our investors. So none of our investors ever exited so far. So we have likes of Secura on board, Goldman Sachs, KOTU, QIA.

So Wendy's, a hundred years old company, the first time in the history, they could open 150 locations in span of 18 months. So that's the kind of scale to bring on. But it took a lot of time for us to understand mistakes, go back, redraw, and a lot of backers and our investors. So none of our investors ever exited so far. So we have likes of Secura on board, Goldman Sachs, KOTU, QIA.

So Wendy's, a hundred years old company, the first time in the history, they could open 150 locations in span of 18 months. So that's the kind of scale to bring on. But it took a lot of time for us to understand mistakes, go back, redraw, and a lot of backers and our investors. So none of our investors ever exited so far. So we have likes of Secura on board, Goldman Sachs, KOTU, QIA.

So it's a long journey, and that's why we call ourselves a slow unicorn.

So it's a long journey, and that's why we call ourselves a slow unicorn.

So it's a long journey, and that's why we call ourselves a slow unicorn.

So one very obvious is love for food. So I love food. And then the other thing is, I think the overall mission is still McDonald's is the world's most valuable food company at 130 billion. We are just a billion dollar. So we have a lot of canvas to be covered, a lot of things to be done. We recently entered Saudi and we know how big Saudi is a market.

So one very obvious is love for food. So I love food. And then the other thing is, I think the overall mission is still McDonald's is the world's most valuable food company at 130 billion. We are just a billion dollar. So we have a lot of canvas to be covered, a lot of things to be done. We recently entered Saudi and we know how big Saudi is a market.

So one very obvious is love for food. So I love food. And then the other thing is, I think the overall mission is still McDonald's is the world's most valuable food company at 130 billion. We are just a billion dollar. So we have a lot of canvas to be covered, a lot of things to be done. We recently entered Saudi and we know how big Saudi is a market.

So we just entered and have three kitchens here. So ambition is to be the largest in the world. We are already largest, but keep growing and have like 50,000 internet restaurants, around 2,000 locations, and have all the cuisines on board, which we make and serve to our customers.

So we just entered and have three kitchens here. So ambition is to be the largest in the world. We are already largest, but keep growing and have like 50,000 internet restaurants, around 2,000 locations, and have all the cuisines on board, which we make and serve to our customers.

So we just entered and have three kitchens here. So ambition is to be the largest in the world. We are already largest, but keep growing and have like 50,000 internet restaurants, around 2,000 locations, and have all the cuisines on board, which we make and serve to our customers.

They're able to simulate what a human can do. So the reason you were able to order the water there is because it was trained NSF data. That includes clicking on DoorDash and ordering water.

They're able to simulate what a human can do. So the reason you were able to order the water there is because it was trained NSF data. That includes clicking on DoorDash and ordering water.

I still think it's a tool. This is power that is there to be harnessed by entrepreneurs. You know, I think that the world is going to get disrupted, right? And, you know, this post-war world that we created where you go through life, you go through 12 years of education, you get to college and you just check the boxes, you get a job. We can already see that fractures with that.

I still think it's a tool. This is power that is there to be harnessed by entrepreneurs. You know, I think that the world is going to get disrupted, right? And, you know, this post-war world that we created where you go through life, you go through 12 years of education, you get to college and you just check the boxes, you get a job. We can already see that fractures with that.

This American dream is perhaps no longer there. And so I think the world has already changed. But what are the opportunities? Obviously, there are downsides. The opportunities is for the first time, access to opportunity is equal. And I do think there's going to be more inequality. And the reason for this inequality is because actually Steve Jobs made this analogy.

This American dream is perhaps no longer there. And so I think the world has already changed. But what are the opportunities? Obviously, there are downsides. The opportunities is for the first time, access to opportunity is equal. And I do think there's going to be more inequality. And the reason for this inequality is because actually Steve Jobs made this analogy.

It's like the best taxi driver in New York is like 20% better than the average taxi driver. The best programmer can be 10x better. We say the 10x engineer. Now the variance will be in the 1000x. The best entrepreneur that can leverage those agents could be a thousand times better than someone who doesn't have the grit, doesn't have the skill, doesn't have the ambition, right?

It's like the best taxi driver in New York is like 20% better than the average taxi driver. The best programmer can be 10x better. We say the 10x engineer. Now the variance will be in the 1000x. The best entrepreneur that can leverage those agents could be a thousand times better than someone who doesn't have the grit, doesn't have the skill, doesn't have the ambition, right?

So that will create a world. Yes, there's massive access to opportunity, but there are people who will take it.

So that will create a world. Yes, there's massive access to opportunity, but there are people who will take it.

Can I give you a quick introduction here, like the optimistic view? OpenAI invented the first version of GPT came out in 2019. 2020 was GPT-2. And so OpenAI, now they get a lot of criticism and lawsuit from Elon Musk that they're no longer open source. They used to be.

Can I give you a quick introduction here, like the optimistic view? OpenAI invented the first version of GPT came out in 2019. 2020 was GPT-2. And so OpenAI, now they get a lot of criticism and lawsuit from Elon Musk that they're no longer open source. They used to be.

The reason is in GPT-2, they said, we are no longer going to open source this technology because it's going to create opportunities for abuse, such as influencing elections, stealing grandma's credit card, and so on and so forth. Wouldn't you say, Brett, that it is kind of surprising how little abuse we've seen so far?

The reason is in GPT-2, they said, we are no longer going to open source this technology because it's going to create opportunities for abuse, such as influencing elections, stealing grandma's credit card, and so on and so forth. Wouldn't you say, Brett, that it is kind of surprising how little abuse we've seen so far?

Yes, if your job is as routine as it comes, it's gone in the next couple of years. But it's going to create new opportunities for wealth creation.

Yes, if your job is as routine as it comes, it's gone in the next couple of years. But it's going to create new opportunities for wealth creation.

So I was trying to make the point that OpenAI has been sort of wrong about the sort of how big of a potential for harm it is. Like, you know, I think we would have heard about it in the news, like the sort of how much harm it's done. And maybe, you know, some of it is working in the shadows.

So I was trying to make the point that OpenAI has been sort of wrong about the sort of how big of a potential for harm it is. Like, you know, I think we would have heard about it in the news, like the sort of how much harm it's done. And maybe, you know, some of it is working in the shadows.

But like the few incidents that we've heard about where, you know, the cause of LLMs, large language models, the technology that's powering ChatGPT, has been huge headliners, like New York Times talked about this kid that was perhaps goaded by some kind of chat software that helps teenagers to be less lonely into suicide, which is tragic.

But like the few incidents that we've heard about where, you know, the cause of LLMs, large language models, the technology that's powering ChatGPT, has been huge headliners, like New York Times talked about this kid that was perhaps goaded by some kind of chat software that helps teenagers to be less lonely into suicide, which is tragic.

And obviously, these are the kind of safety and abuse issues that we want to we want to worry about. But these are kind of these isolated incidents. And we do have open source large language models. Obviously, the thing that everyone talks about is DeepSeek. DeepSeek is coming from China. So what is DeepSeek's incentive? Perhaps the incentive is to Destroy the AI industry in the US.

And obviously, these are the kind of safety and abuse issues that we want to we want to worry about. But these are kind of these isolated incidents. And we do have open source large language models. Obviously, the thing that everyone talks about is DeepSeek. DeepSeek is coming from China. So what is DeepSeek's incentive? Perhaps the incentive is to Destroy the AI industry in the US.

When they released DeepSeek, the market tanked. The market for NVIDIA, the market for AI, and all of that. But there is an incentive to open source. Meta is open sourcing Lama. Lama is another AI similar to ChatGPT. The reason they're open sourcing Lama, and Zuckerberg just says that out loud, is basically They don't want to be beholden to open AI. They don't sell AI as a service.

When they released DeepSeek, the market tanked. The market for NVIDIA, the market for AI, and all of that. But there is an incentive to open source. Meta is open sourcing Lama. Lama is another AI similar to ChatGPT. The reason they're open sourcing Lama, and Zuckerberg just says that out loud, is basically They don't want to be beholden to open AI. They don't sell AI as a service.

They use it to build products. And there's this concept in business called commoditize your complement. Because you need AI as a technology to run your service, the best strategy to do is to open source it. So these market forces are going to create conditions that I think are actually beneficial. So I'll give you a few examples.

They use it to build products. And there's this concept in business called commoditize your complement. Because you need AI as a technology to run your service, the best strategy to do is to open source it. So these market forces are going to create conditions that I think are actually beneficial. So I'll give you a few examples.

One is, first of all, the AI companies are motivated to create AI that is safe so that they can sell it. Second, there are security companies investing in AIs that allows them to protect from the sort of malicious acting of AI. And so you have the free market, and we've always had that. But generally, as humanity, we've been able to leverage the same technology to protect against the abuse.

One is, first of all, the AI companies are motivated to create AI that is safe so that they can sell it. Second, there are security companies investing in AIs that allows them to protect from the sort of malicious acting of AI. And so you have the free market, and we've always had that. But generally, as humanity, we've been able to leverage the same technology to protect against the abuse.

So what I was saying there is even if I'm wrong, That you can actually create a unbounded, seemingly conscious artificial intelligence that can entirely replace humans and can act autonomously in a way that even humans can't act and can't coordinate across different AIs, different data centers to take over the world.

So what I was saying there is even if I'm wrong, That you can actually create a unbounded, seemingly conscious artificial intelligence that can entirely replace humans and can act autonomously in a way that even humans can't act and can't coordinate across different AIs, different data centers to take over the world.

So the definition of AGI is artificial general intelligence, meaning that AI can acquire new skills efficiently in the same way that humans can acquire skills. Right now, AIs don't acquire skills efficiently. They require a massive amount of energy and compute, entire data set of compute to acquire these skills. And I think there's, again, a limit on how general intelligence can get.

So the definition of AGI is artificial general intelligence, meaning that AI can acquire new skills efficiently in the same way that humans can acquire skills. Right now, AIs don't acquire skills efficiently. They require a massive amount of energy and compute, entire data set of compute to acquire these skills. And I think there's, again, a limit on how general intelligence can get.

I think for most of the time, it will be lagging in terms of what humans are capable of doing. The singularity is based on this concept of intelligence explosion. So once you create an AGI, once you create an artificial general intelligence, that intelligence will be able to modify its own source code and create the next version that is much more intelligent.

I think for most of the time, it will be lagging in terms of what humans are capable of doing. The singularity is based on this concept of intelligence explosion. So once you create an AGI, once you create an artificial general intelligence, that intelligence will be able to modify its own source code and create the next version that is much more intelligent.

And the next version creates the next version and the next version. for infinity, right?

And the next version creates the next version and the next version. for infinity, right?

Perhaps within milliseconds at some point, right? Because it might invent new computing substrate and all of that. Perhaps it will use quantum computing and And so then you have this intelligence explosion in a way that is impossible to predict how the world is going to be. And what I'm saying is this is sort of like an end of time story. Like how would you even prepare for that? Mm-hmm.

Perhaps within milliseconds at some point, right? Because it might invent new computing substrate and all of that. Perhaps it will use quantum computing and And so then you have this intelligence explosion in a way that is impossible to predict how the world is going to be. And what I'm saying is this is sort of like an end of time story. Like how would you even prepare for that? Mm-hmm.

So if that's coming, like, why would I spend my time preparing for, I think it's unlikely to happen.

So if that's coming, like, why would I spend my time preparing for, I think it's unlikely to happen.

Yeah, but I'd rather prepare, what I was saying there, I'd rather prepare for the more likely world in which we have access to tremendous power, but the world is not ending and humans are still important. Right.

Yeah, but I'd rather prepare, what I was saying there, I'd rather prepare for the more likely world in which we have access to tremendous power, but the world is not ending and humans are still important. Right.

I mean, in my vision of the world, we're in the creative seat. We're sitting there where we are controlling swarms of intelligent being to do our job. You know, the way you run your business, for example, you're sitting at a computer, you have an hour to work. Yeah. And you're going to launch like a thousand – SDR, sales representative, to go grab as many leads as possible.

I mean, in my vision of the world, we're in the creative seat. We're sitting there where we are controlling swarms of intelligent being to do our job. You know, the way you run your business, for example, you're sitting at a computer, you have an hour to work. Yeah. And you're going to launch like a thousand – SDR, sales representative, to go grab as many leads as possible.

And you're generating a new update on Replit for your website here. And then on this side, you have an AI that's crunching data about your existing business to figure out how to improve it. And these AIs are somehow all coordinating together. And I am trying to privilege Like this is my mission is to build tools for people. I'm not building tools for agents. And agents are a tool.

And you're generating a new update on Replit for your website here. And then on this side, you have an AI that's crunching data about your existing business to figure out how to improve it. And these AIs are somehow all coordinating together. And I am trying to privilege Like this is my mission is to build tools for people. I'm not building tools for agents. And agents are a tool.

And so ultimately, not only do I think that humans have a privileged position in the world and in the universe, we don't know where consciousness is coming from. We don't really have the science to explain it. I think humans are special. That's one side is my belief that humans are special in the world. And another side, which I understand that the technology today

And so ultimately, not only do I think that humans have a privileged position in the world and in the universe, we don't know where consciousness is coming from. We don't really have the science to explain it. I think humans are special. That's one side is my belief that humans are special in the world. And another side, which I understand that the technology today

And I think for the foreseeable future is going to be a function of us training data. So there was this whole idea of like, what if ChatGPT generates pathogens? Well, have you trained it on pathogens?

And I think for the foreseeable future is going to be a function of us training data. So there was this whole idea of like, what if ChatGPT generates pathogens? Well, have you trained it on pathogens?

Yeah, all of those. And what do they do? Maybe this is useful for the audience. I think if your job is as routine as it comes, your job is gone in the next couple of years. So meaning, in those jobs, for example, quality assurance jobs, data entry jobs. You're sitting in front of a computer and you're supposed to click and type things in a certain order.

Yeah, all of those. And what do they do? Maybe this is useful for the audience. I think if your job is as routine as it comes, your job is gone in the next couple of years. So meaning, in those jobs, for example, quality assurance jobs, data entry jobs. You're sitting in front of a computer and you're supposed to click and type things in a certain order.

Operator and those technologies are coming in the market really quickly and those are going to displace a lot of labor.

Operator and those technologies are coming in the market really quickly and those are going to displace a lot of labor.

Yeah, I think the healthcare ecosystem is hard to predict because of regulation. And again, there's so many limiting factors on how this technology can permeate the economy because of regulations and people's willingness to take it. But unregulated jobs that are purely text in, text out. If your job, you get a message and you produce some kind of artifact that's probably text or images.

Yeah, I think the healthcare ecosystem is hard to predict because of regulation. And again, there's so many limiting factors on how this technology can permeate the economy because of regulations and people's willingness to take it. But unregulated jobs that are purely text in, text out. If your job, you get a message and you produce some kind of artifact that's probably text or images.

That job is at risk.

That job is at risk.

So I started programming at a very young age. I built my first business when I was a teenager. I used to go to internet cafes and program there. And I realized that they don't have software to manage the business. I was like, oh, why didn't you create accounts? Why don't I have a server? It took me two years to build that piece of software.

So I started programming at a very young age. I built my first business when I was a teenager. I used to go to internet cafes and program there. And I realized that they don't have software to manage the business. I was like, oh, why didn't you create accounts? Why don't I have a server? It took me two years to build that piece of software.

But also, these people are actually already transitioning to training AIs. So there's going to be a massive industry around training AIs.

But also, these people are actually already transitioning to training AIs. So there's going to be a massive industry around training AIs.

Well, no, you have to continuously acquire new skills. And this is what I'm talking about. This is, again, if AI is a function of its data, then you need increasingly more data. And by the way, we ran out of internet data.

Well, no, you have to continuously acquire new skills. And this is what I'm talking about. This is, again, if AI is a function of its data, then you need increasingly more data. And by the way, we ran out of internet data.

And that sort of embedded in my mind this idea that, hey, there's a lot of people in the world with really amazing ideas, especially in the context where they live in. that allows them to build businesses. However, the main source of friction between an idea and software, or call it an idea and wealth creation, is infrastructure, is physical infrastructure, is meaning a computer in front of you,

And that sort of embedded in my mind this idea that, hey, there's a lot of people in the world with really amazing ideas, especially in the context where they live in. that allows them to build businesses. However, the main source of friction between an idea and software, or call it an idea and wealth creation, is infrastructure, is physical infrastructure, is meaning a computer in front of you,

They're so optimistic about LLMs and how they're going to evolve. Yes, it's amazing. It's amazing technology. I think it raised global IQ, like 800 million people. 800 million people are that much more intelligent and emotionally intelligent as well. I know people who previously were very coarse and they kind of robbed people the wrong way. They would say things in not so polite way.

They're so optimistic about LLMs and how they're going to evolve. Yes, it's amazing. It's amazing technology. I think it raised global IQ, like 800 million people. 800 million people are that much more intelligent and emotionally intelligent as well. I know people who previously were very coarse and they kind of robbed people the wrong way. They would say things in not so polite way.

And then suddenly they started putting what they're saying through ChatGPT in order to kind of make it kinder and nicer. And they're more liked now. And so not only is it making us more intelligent, but also it allows us to be the best version of ourselves. And the scenario that you're talking about, I don't know what's wrong with that. Like, you know, I would want less agency in certain places.

And then suddenly they started putting what they're saying through ChatGPT in order to kind of make it kinder and nicer. And they're more liked now. And so not only is it making us more intelligent, but also it allows us to be the best version of ourselves. And the scenario that you're talking about, I don't know what's wrong with that. Like, you know, I would want less agency in certain places.

It is an internet connection. It is the set of tools and skills that you need to build that. If we make it so that anyone who has ideas, who wants to solve problems, will be able to do it. I mean, imagine the kind of world that we could live in where no one can be – anyone who has merit, anyone who can think clearly, anyone who can generate a lot of ideas – can generate wealth.

It is an internet connection. It is the set of tools and skills that you need to build that. If we make it so that anyone who has ideas, who wants to solve problems, will be able to do it. I mean, imagine the kind of world that we could live in where no one can be – anyone who has merit, anyone who can think clearly, anyone who can generate a lot of ideas – can generate wealth.

Like, I would want something to help me not, you know, open up a peanut butter jar at night, right? You know, there are places in my life where I need more control and I would rather cede it to some kind of entity that could help me make better choices, right?

Like, I would want something to help me not, you know, open up a peanut butter jar at night, right? You know, there are places in my life where I need more control and I would rather cede it to some kind of entity that could help me make better choices, right?

How is it different than when the… what's it called? The looming machine came and the textile workers, the result of the Luddite revolution. How is it different than any time in history when technology automated a lot of people out of

How is it different than when the… what's it called? The looming machine came and the textile workers, the result of the Luddite revolution. How is it different than any time in history when technology automated a lot of people out of

Can I mention a story here? There's an entrepreneur that uses Replit in a similar way. His name is Billy Howell. You can find him on YouTube, on the internet. He would go to Upwork and he would find what people are asking for, different requests for certain apps, technologies.

Can I mention a story here? There's an entrepreneur that uses Replit in a similar way. His name is Billy Howell. You can find him on YouTube, on the internet. He would go to Upwork and he would find what people are asking for, different requests for certain apps, technologies.

Then he would take what they're asking for, put it into Replit, make it an application, call them, tell them, I already have your application. Would you pay $10,000 for it? So that's sort of an arbitrage opportunity that's there right now. That's not arbitrage. It's that. How is that?

Then he would take what they're asking for, put it into Replit, make it an application, call them, tell them, I already have your application. Would you pay $10,000 for it? So that's sort of an arbitrage opportunity that's there right now. That's not arbitrage. It's that. How is that?

I mean, that's an amazing world to live in, right? Anywhere in the world. So with Replit, the company that I started in 2016, the idea was like, okay, coding is difficult. How do we solve coding? And we built every part of the process, the hosting, the code editor. The only missing thing was the AI agents, right?

I mean, that's an amazing world to live in, right? Anywhere in the world. So with Replit, the company that I started in 2016, the idea was like, okay, coding is difficult. How do we solve coding? And we built every part of the process, the hosting, the code editor. The only missing thing was the AI agents, right?

Yeah, and speaking of adaptive systems, one of the adaptations that will happen is people will seek humans and will seek proof of humanity.

Yeah, and speaking of adaptive systems, one of the adaptations that will happen is people will seek humans and will seek proof of humanity.

This is a good thing. I think modes are a bad thing. Let me make the argument there. So everyone's looking for modes. For example, one of the more significant modes is network effects. So you can't compete with Facebook or Twitter because... To move people from Facebook or Twitter, it's the collective action problem. You need to move them all at once.

This is a good thing. I think modes are a bad thing. Let me make the argument there. So everyone's looking for modes. For example, one of the more significant modes is network effects. So you can't compete with Facebook or Twitter because... To move people from Facebook or Twitter, it's the collective action problem. You need to move them all at once.

Because if one of them moves, then the network is not valuable. They'll go back. So you have this chicken and egg problem. Let's say that we have a more decentralized way of doing social networks. That will remove the power of Twitter to kind of censor. And I think you're at the other end of censorship, right? And so part of my optimism about humanity is that generally there's self-correction.

Because if one of them moves, then the network is not valuable. They'll go back. So you have this chicken and egg problem. Let's say that we have a more decentralized way of doing social networks. That will remove the power of Twitter to kind of censor. And I think you're at the other end of censorship, right? And so part of my optimism about humanity is that generally there's self-correction.

Over the past two years, we've been working on this AI agent that you can just, since ChatGPT, this revolution with Gen AI, and you can just speak your ideas into existence. This starts sounding religious. This is like the gods, the myths that humans have created. They used to imagine a world where You can be everywhere and anywhere at once. That's sort of the internet.

Over the past two years, we've been working on this AI agent that you can just, since ChatGPT, this revolution with Gen AI, and you can just speak your ideas into existence. This starts sounding religious. This is like the gods, the myths that humans have created. They used to imagine a world where You can be everywhere and anywhere at once. That's sort of the internet.

Democracy is a self-correcting system. Free markets are largely self-correcting systems. There are obvious problems with free markets that we can discuss. But take... Health, you know, there is obesity epidemic. This period of time when companies, you know, ran loose kind of making this sugary, salty, fatty kind of snacks and everyone gorged on them and everyone got very, you know, unhealthy.

Democracy is a self-correcting system. Free markets are largely self-correcting systems. There are obvious problems with free markets that we can discuss. But take... Health, you know, there is obesity epidemic. This period of time when companies, you know, ran loose kind of making this sugary, salty, fatty kind of snacks and everyone gorged on them and everyone got very, you know, unhealthy.

And now you have Whole Foods everywhere. Today, people in Silicon Valley, they don't go to bars at all. They go to running clubs. That's how you meet. That's how you go find a date. You go to running clubs. And so there was a shift that happened because there was a reaction. Obviously, cigarettes is another example. You know, you were talking about phones and our addiction to phones.

And now you have Whole Foods everywhere. Today, people in Silicon Valley, they don't go to bars at all. They go to running clubs. That's how you meet. That's how you go find a date. You go to running clubs. And so there was a shift that happened because there was a reaction. Obviously, cigarettes is another example. You know, you were talking about phones and our addiction to phones.

And I see a shift right now. Like in my friend circle... Like people who are constantly kind of on their phones is already kind of frowned upon. And they don't want to hang out with you because you're constantly staring on your phone. So there's always these reactions.

And I see a shift right now. Like in my friend circle... Like people who are constantly kind of on their phones is already kind of frowned upon. And they don't want to hang out with you because you're constantly staring on your phone. So there's always these reactions.

Is that your top concern versus economic displacement?

Is that your top concern versus economic displacement?

And you can also speak your ideas into existence. And, you know, it's still early. I think Replit Agent is a fantastic tool. And I think this technology is going to get so much more powerful.

And you can also speak your ideas into existence. And, you know, it's still early. I think Replit Agent is a fantastic tool. And I think this technology is going to get so much more powerful.

Yes. But again, it's no pain, no gain. I mean, we're going to go through a period of disruption. And I think at the other end, the old, you know, sort of oppressive systems will be broken. And we're going to create perhaps a fair world, but it's going to have its own problems.

Yes. But again, it's no pain, no gain. I mean, we're going to go through a period of disruption. And I think at the other end, the old, you know, sort of oppressive systems will be broken. And we're going to create perhaps a fair world, but it's going to have its own problems.

It's hard to say because, you know, there's this concept of limiting factors. Like, you know, there is regulation. There's the appetite of people today. For example, the healthcare system is very resistant to innovation because of regulation, you know. And that's a bad thing.

It's hard to say because, you know, there's this concept of limiting factors. Like, you know, there is regulation. There's the appetite of people today. For example, the healthcare system is very resistant to innovation because of regulation, you know. And that's a bad thing.

I fundamentally disagree with that. Which part do you disagree with? I disagree that, first of all, that humans would be happy with UBI, right? I think that, you know, a core value of humans, and be curious about the evolutionary reasons, is we want to be useful.

I fundamentally disagree with that. Which part do you disagree with? I disagree that, first of all, that humans would be happy with UBI, right? I think that, you know, a core value of humans, and be curious about the evolutionary reasons, is we want to be useful.

This technology is going to get so much more powerful. And yes, we're going to go through a period of disruption. But at the other end, we're going to create a fair world. It's enabling people to run their businesses, make a lot of money.

This technology is going to get so much more powerful. And yes, we're going to go through a period of disruption. But at the other end, we're going to create a fair world. It's enabling people to run their businesses, make a lot of money.

What's wrong with that? I mean, if their precision is better where they are.

What's wrong with that? I mean, if their precision is better where they are.

If it's highest paid jobs, maybe you should start saving.

If it's highest paid jobs, maybe you should start saving.

This also resembles our revenue too.

This also resembles our revenue too.

Our company, we're 65 people and we make millions per head. Are you going to need to hire more people to get up to... I think so, but we're hiring slowly. We're using customer support AI and that meant that we need less customer support. We're trying to leverage AI as much as possible. The person in HR at Replit write software using Replit. So I'll give you an example.

Our company, we're 65 people and we make millions per head. Are you going to need to hire more people to get up to... I think so, but we're hiring slowly. We're using customer support AI and that meant that we need less customer support. We're trying to leverage AI as much as possible. The person in HR at Replit write software using Replit. So I'll give you an example.

She needed org charts software. And she looked at a bunch of them, got a lot of demos, and they're all very expensive. And they're missing the kind of features that she wants. For example, she wanted, like, version control. She wanted to know when something changed and to go back in history. She went into Replit, and in three days, she got exactly the kind of software that she wants.

She needed org charts software. And she looked at a bunch of them, got a lot of demos, and they're all very expensive. And they're missing the kind of features that she wants. For example, she wanted, like, version control. She wanted to know when something changed and to go back in history. She went into Replit, and in three days, she got exactly the kind of software that she wants.

And what was the cost? You know, perhaps $20, you know, something like that, $20, $30. Once, right? And how many employees in HR do we need? Right now we have two. If they're highly levered like that, maybe we do not need a 20 HR team.

And what was the cost? You know, perhaps $20, you know, something like that, $20, $30. Once, right? And how many employees in HR do we need? Right now we have two. If they're highly levered like that, maybe we do not need a 20 HR team.

This is like a supernatural kind of power. You conjured water.

This is like a supernatural kind of power. You conjured water.

Yeah. So I assume most of the audience now are familiar with the chat GPT, right? You can go in and you can talk to an AI. It can search the web for you. It has a limited amount of tools. Maybe it can call a calculator to do some additional subtraction for you. But that's about it. It's a request-response style.

Yeah. So I assume most of the audience now are familiar with the chat GPT, right? You can go in and you can talk to an AI. It can search the web for you. It has a limited amount of tools. Maybe it can call a calculator to do some additional subtraction for you. But that's about it. It's a request-response style.

I'll make the case that everything that we've discussed here, all the negative things around loneliness, around meaning, they're already here. And I don't think blaming technology for all of it is the right thing. I think there are a lot of things that happened because of existing human impulses and motivations.

I'll make the case that everything that we've discussed here, all the negative things around loneliness, around meaning, they're already here. And I don't think blaming technology for all of it is the right thing. I think there are a lot of things that happened because of existing human impulses and motivations.

Agents are when you give it a request and they can work indefinitely until they achieve a goal or they run into an error and they need your help. It's an AI bot that has access to tools. Those tools are access to a web browser like Operator, access to a programming environment, say like Replit. access to credit cards. The more tools you give the agent, the more powerful it is.

Agents are when you give it a request and they can work indefinitely until they achieve a goal or they run into an error and they need your help. It's an AI bot that has access to tools. Those tools are access to a web browser like Operator, access to a programming environment, say like Replit. access to credit cards. The more tools you give the agent, the more powerful it is.

I spend a lot of time in education technology. One thing that is, as we say on the internet, a black pill about education in general, education intervention, is there's a lot of data that shows that there are very little interventions you can make in education to generate better outcomes.

I spend a lot of time in education technology. One thing that is, as we say on the internet, a black pill about education in general, education intervention, is there's a lot of data that shows that there are very little interventions you can make in education to generate better outcomes.

And so there's been a lot of experiment around pedagogy, around how to configure the classroom that have resulted in very marginal improvements. There's only one intervention, and this has been reproduced many times, that creates two sigma, two standard deviation positive outcomes in education, meaning you're better than 99% of everyone else. And that is one-on-one tutoring.

And so there's been a lot of experiment around pedagogy, around how to configure the classroom that have resulted in very marginal improvements. There's only one intervention, and this has been reproduced many times, that creates two sigma, two standard deviation positive outcomes in education, meaning you're better than 99% of everyone else. And that is one-on-one tutoring.

Of course, there's all these considerations around security and safety and all of that stuff. But the most important thing is that AI agent will determine when it finished executing. Today, AI agents can run for anywhere between 30 seconds to 30 minutes. There's a recent paper that came out that's showing that every seven months, the number of minutes that the agent can run for is doubling.

Of course, there's all these considerations around security and safety and all of that stuff. But the most important thing is that AI agent will determine when it finished executing. Today, AI agents can run for anywhere between 30 seconds to 30 minutes. There's a recent paper that came out that's showing that every seven months, the number of minutes that the agent can run for is doubling.

One-on-one tutoring. Yeah. And by the way, if you look, someone also did a survey of all the geniuses, the understanders of the world, and found that they all had one-on-one tutoring. They all had someone in their lives that took interest in them and tutored them. So what can create one-on-one tutoring optionally for every child in the world?

One-on-one tutoring. Yeah. And by the way, if you look, someone also did a survey of all the geniuses, the understanders of the world, and found that they all had one-on-one tutoring. They all had someone in their lives that took interest in them and tutored them. So what can create one-on-one tutoring optionally for every child in the world?

Is that synthesis?

Is that synthesis?

Yeah, I'm an investor in this company.

Yeah, I'm an investor in this company.

How do your kids are three and five?

How do your kids are three and five?

My children are very young, but we already do use AI. And I sit down with them in front of Repl. And we generate ideas and make games. And I would say what Brett said about generality is very important. The ability to pivot and kind of learn skills quickly. Being generative is very, very important. having a fast pace of generating ideas and iterating of those ideas.

My children are very young, but we already do use AI. And I sit down with them in front of Repl. And we generate ideas and make games. And I would say what Brett said about generality is very important. The ability to pivot and kind of learn skills quickly. Being generative is very, very important. having a fast pace of generating ideas and iterating of those ideas.

We sit down in front of ChatGPT, and my kid imagines scenario. What if there's a cat on the moon? And then what if the moon is made of cheese? And what if there's a mouse inside it? And so we keep generating these variations of these different ideas. And I find that makes them more imaginative and creative.

We sit down in front of ChatGPT, and my kid imagines scenario. What if there's a cat on the moon? And then what if the moon is made of cheese? And what if there's a mouse inside it? And so we keep generating these variations of these different ideas. And I find that makes them more imaginative and creative.

So we're at like 30 minutes now. In seven months, we're going to be at an hour, then two hours. Pretty soon, we're going to be at days. And at that point, AI agent is doing labor, is doing kind of human-like labor. And actually, OpenAI's new model, O3, beat the expectation. So it sort of doubled coherence over long horizon tasks in just three or four months.

So we're at like 30 minutes now. In seven months, we're going to be at an hour, then two hours. Pretty soon, we're going to be at days. And at that point, AI agent is doing labor, is doing kind of human-like labor. And actually, OpenAI's new model, O3, beat the expectation. So it sort of doubled coherence over long horizon tasks in just three or four months.

As they are of the ADHD.

As they are of the ADHD.

So we're in this massive, and I mean, this looks, this exponential graph, you know, that shows you the massive trend we're on.

So we're in this massive, and I mean, this looks, this exponential graph, you know, that shows you the massive trend we're on.

The first thing I would do is teach people about these systems, whether it's programs on the TV or outreach or what have you, just trying to get people to understand how ChatGPT works, how these algorithms work. And as the new jobs arrive, I think there's going to be an opportunity for people to be able to detect that this job requires this set of skills. And I have this kind of experience.

The first thing I would do is teach people about these systems, whether it's programs on the TV or outreach or what have you, just trying to get people to understand how ChatGPT works, how these algorithms work. And as the new jobs arrive, I think there's going to be an opportunity for people to be able to detect that this job requires this set of skills. And I have this kind of experience.

And although my experience are potentially outdated, I can repurpose that experience to do that job. I'll give you an example. A teacher, his name is Adil Khan. You know, he started using at the time GPT-3 and felt like it does amazing work as a tools for teachers or even potentially a teacher itself. So he learned a little bit of coding and he went on Repl.it and he built this company.

And although my experience are potentially outdated, I can repurpose that experience to do that job. I'll give you an example. A teacher, his name is Adil Khan. You know, he started using at the time GPT-3 and felt like it does amazing work as a tools for teachers or even potentially a teacher itself. So he learned a little bit of coding and he went on Repl.it and he built this company.

And just two years later, they're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Obviously, not everyone will be able to create businesses of that scale. But because you have an experience in a certain domain, you'll be able to build the next iteration of that using technology. So even if your job was displaced... You'll be able to figure out what potentially comes after that.

And just two years later, they're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Obviously, not everyone will be able to create businesses of that scale. But because you have an experience in a certain domain, you'll be able to build the next iteration of that using technology. So even if your job was displaced... You'll be able to figure out what potentially comes after that.

So I think people's expertise that they built, I don't think they're all for waste, even if your job went away.

So I think people's expertise that they built, I don't think they're all for waste, even if your job went away.

Well, I mean, you can be the Amish, right? You can be the Amish and live in your own communities. And I would assume some people would

Well, I mean, you can be the Amish, right? You can be the Amish and live in your own communities. And I would assume some people would

Something amusing, I don't know if it's exactly a counterpoint, but during COVID especially and through the recent technological change, some people have started living closer to the more ancestral environment. So people whose jobs are online, some of my friends went and built communities online.

Something amusing, I don't know if it's exactly a counterpoint, but during COVID especially and through the recent technological change, some people have started living closer to the more ancestral environment. So people whose jobs are online, some of my friends went and built communities online.

Like collectives where they, you know, live and they create farms and they eat and they have like an email job. They do their email jobs for five hours and go out and they all have children. And it's a fascinating life. And there was so much rethinking in Silicon Valley about how we live.

Like collectives where they, you know, live and they create farms and they eat and they have like an email job. They do their email jobs for five hours and go out and they all have children. And it's a fascinating life. And there was so much rethinking in Silicon Valley about how we live.

And there's a bunch of startups that are trying to create cities where they're like, okay, we know that we're suffering because our cities are not really walkable. And there's so many reasons why we're suffering. First, we're not getting the movement. Second, there's a social aspect of walkable city where you're able to interact with people.

And there's a bunch of startups that are trying to create cities where they're like, okay, we know that we're suffering because our cities are not really walkable. And there's so many reasons why we're suffering. First, we're not getting the movement. Second, there's a social aspect of walkable city where you're able to interact with people.

You'll make friends by just happening to be in the same place as others. Let's actually build walkable cities. And if we want to transport faster, we'll have these self-driving cars on the perimeter of the city that are going around. And I think there are ways in which technology can afford us

You'll make friends by just happening to be in the same place as others. Let's actually build walkable cities. And if we want to transport faster, we'll have these self-driving cars on the perimeter of the city that are going around. And I think there are ways in which technology can afford us

One of those, you mentioned the truth, the problem of truth. Would you say, just a thought experiment, someone today, like an average person, college educated person, are they more propagandized or led astray than someone in Soviet Russia?

One of those, you mentioned the truth, the problem of truth. Would you say, just a thought experiment, someone today, like an average person, college educated person, are they more propagandized or led astray than someone in Soviet Russia?

But neither of those is a recipe for – Do you think Google search first and maybe now ChatGPT has helped people more or less to find truth? I think –

But neither of those is a recipe for – Do you think Google search first and maybe now ChatGPT has helped people more or less to find truth? I think –

First thing, question, is Meta incentivized to solve this problem?

First thing, question, is Meta incentivized to solve this problem?

Yes. And so Meta is probably actively working on AIs. And again, it's going to be a cat and mouse game, like every abuse that happens out there. So I think that the market will naturally respond to things like that. And the same way that we installed antiviruses, as annoying as they are, I think we'll install

Yes. And so Meta is probably actively working on AIs. And again, it's going to be a cat and mouse game, like every abuse that happens out there. So I think that the market will naturally respond to things like that. And the same way that we installed antiviruses, as annoying as they are, I think we'll install

AIs on our computers that will allow us to at least help us kind of sort the fake from the true.

AIs on our computers that will allow us to at least help us kind of sort the fake from the true.

Well, first of all, the first thing you need to do, you need to understand, is that this moment of time is the least competitive moment. If you understand how to use these tools, you can start making money tomorrow. I see countless examples of people making thousands of dollars with these hustles that I talked about.

Well, first of all, the first thing you need to do, you need to understand, is that this moment of time is the least competitive moment. If you understand how to use these tools, you can start making money tomorrow. I see countless examples of people making thousands of dollars with these hustles that I talked about.

or building businesses that generates millions of dollars in the first couple of months of existence. So I would say start moving now, start building things. So it's an unprecedented time of wealth creation. Clearly, at some point, as the market gets more efficient, as more and more people understand how to use these tools, there's less potential for creating these massive businesses quickly.

or building businesses that generates millions of dollars in the first couple of months of existence. So I would say start moving now, start building things. So it's an unprecedented time of wealth creation. Clearly, at some point, as the market gets more efficient, as more and more people understand how to use these tools, there's less potential for creating these massive businesses quickly.

And we've seen this. The dawn of the internet or dawn of the web was a lot easier to create Facebook than it is now than we had mobile. And for three, four, five years, it was very easy to create massive businesses, and then it became harder being just at the edge of what's possible. is going to be very, very important over the next couple of years.

And we've seen this. The dawn of the internet or dawn of the web was a lot easier to create Facebook than it is now than we had mobile. And for three, four, five years, it was very easy to create massive businesses, and then it became harder being just at the edge of what's possible. is going to be very, very important over the next couple of years.

And that gets me really excited because the entrepreneurs who are paying attention are going to be having the most amount of fun, but they're also going to be able to make a lot of money. How many applications have been built on Replit to date? I can talk about the millions of things that have been built since we started the company, but just since September when we launched Replit Agents,

And that gets me really excited because the entrepreneurs who are paying attention are going to be having the most amount of fun, but they're also going to be able to make a lot of money. How many applications have been built on Replit to date? I can talk about the millions of things that have been built since we started the company, but just since September when we launched Replit Agents,

There's been about 3 million applications built purely in natural language with no coding at all, purely natural language. Of those, I think 300,000, 400,000 of them were deployed in a real – the site was deployed and it is having – people are using it, some kind of business, some kind of internal tool.

There's been about 3 million applications built purely in natural language with no coding at all, purely natural language. Of those, I think 300,000, 400,000 of them were deployed in a real – the site was deployed and it is having – people are using it, some kind of business, some kind of internal tool.

An internal tool?

An internal tool?

$25. $25.

$25. $25.

I don't think we've spent a lot of time talking about autonomous weapons. This is the thing that really worries me. And the thing that worries people about AI is this idea is that it is this emergent system and there's no one thing behind it. And it can act in a way that's unpredictable and not really guided by humans. I also think it's true of corporations, of governments.

I don't think we've spent a lot of time talking about autonomous weapons. This is the thing that really worries me. And the thing that worries people about AI is this idea is that it is this emergent system and there's no one thing behind it. And it can act in a way that's unpredictable and not really guided by humans. I also think it's true of corporations, of governments.

And so I think individual people can often have the best intentions, but the collective can land on doing things in a way that is harmful or morally repugnant. And I think we talked about China versus the US, and that creates a certain race dynamics where they're both incentivized to cut corners and potentially do harmful things.

And so I think individual people can often have the best intentions, but the collective can land on doing things in a way that is harmful or morally repugnant. And I think we talked about China versus the US, and that creates a certain race dynamics where they're both incentivized to cut corners and potentially do harmful things.

And in the world of geopolitics, um, and wars, you know, what really scares me is, is autonomous weapons. And what does it scare you? Because, uh, You know, you can imagine autonomous drones being trained on someone's face and you can send a swarm of drones and they can be this sort of autonomous killing assassination machine.

And in the world of geopolitics, um, and wars, you know, what really scares me is, is autonomous weapons. And what does it scare you? Because, uh, You know, you can imagine autonomous drones being trained on someone's face and you can send a swarm of drones and they can be this sort of autonomous killing assassination machine.

And it can sort of function as a country versus country technology in the world of war, which is still crazy. But it can also become a tool for governments to subjugate the citizens. And people think we're... We're safe in the West, but I think the experience with COVID showed that even the systems in the West can very quickly become draconian.

And it can sort of function as a country versus country technology in the world of war, which is still crazy. But it can also become a tool for governments to subjugate the citizens. And people think we're... We're safe in the West, but I think the experience with COVID showed that even the systems in the West can very quickly become draconian.

I mean, what happened in Canada with the truckers' sort of protests where they froze their bank account by virtue of just being there.

I mean, what happened in Canada with the truckers' sort of protests where they froze their bank account by virtue of just being there.

Yeah, I think all of that is a real concern. Unlike Mustafa, I don't think containment is possible. Part of the reason why this game theoretic system of competition between the US, China, corporations, individuals, makes it so that this technology is already available. you know, as I was already out really hard to put it back in the, in the bag.

Yeah, I think all of that is a real concern. Unlike Mustafa, I don't think containment is possible. Part of the reason why this game theoretic system of competition between the US, China, corporations, individuals, makes it so that this technology is already available. you know, as I was already out really hard to put it back in the, in the bag.

So the problem with that chain of thinking is that it might lead to an oppressive system. Yeah. There is one of the, say, doomers or philosophers of AI, which I respect his work. His name is Nick Bostrom. And he was trying to think of ways in which we can contain AI. And the thing that he came up with is perhaps more oppressive than something that AI would come up with.

So the problem with that chain of thinking is that it might lead to an oppressive system. Yeah. There is one of the, say, doomers or philosophers of AI, which I respect his work. His name is Nick Bostrom. And he was trying to think of ways in which we can contain AI. And the thing that he came up with is perhaps more oppressive than something that AI would come up with.

It's like total surveillance state. You need total surveillance on compute, on people's computers, on people's ideas to not invent AI or AGI. It's like taking the guns or something or... Right, exactly. I mean, there's always this problem of containing any sort of technology is that you do need oppression and draconian policies to do that.

It's like total surveillance state. You need total surveillance on compute, on people's computers, on people's ideas to not invent AI or AGI. It's like taking the guns or something or... Right, exactly. I mean, there's always this problem of containing any sort of technology is that you do need oppression and draconian policies to do that.

You know, we talked about the... birthright crisis. And I think a more generalized problem there is creating virtualized environments via VR, where everyone is living in their own created universe. And it's so enticing. And even Create simulates work and simulates struggle. such that you don't really need to leave this world. And so every one of us will be solipsistic, similar to the Matrix.

You know, we talked about the... birthright crisis. And I think a more generalized problem there is creating virtualized environments via VR, where everyone is living in their own created universe. And it's so enticing. And even Create simulates work and simulates struggle. such that you don't really need to leave this world. And so every one of us will be solipsistic, similar to the Matrix.

Ready Player One. We're all kind of plugged. Even worse than a Ready Player One, at least that's a massively networked environment. I'm talking about AI simulating everything for us. And therefore, you're literally in the matrix, you know?

Ready Player One. We're all kind of plugged. Even worse than a Ready Player One, at least that's a massively networked environment. I'm talking about AI simulating everything for us. And therefore, you're literally in the matrix, you know?

Yes. And so, I mean, are you familiar with the Fermi's paradox? No, I'm not. So Fermi's paradox is the question of a professor, his name is Fermi. He asked the question, If the universe is that vast, then where are the aliens? The fact that humans exist, you can deduce that other civilizations exist. And if they do exist, then why don't we see them?

Yes. And so, I mean, are you familiar with the Fermi's paradox? No, I'm not. So Fermi's paradox is the question of a professor, his name is Fermi. He asked the question, If the universe is that vast, then where are the aliens? The fact that humans exist, you can deduce that other civilizations exist. And if they do exist, then why don't we see them?

And then that spurred a bunch of Fermi solutions. So there's, I don't know, you can find hundreds of solutions on the internet. One of them is the sort of house cat thought experiments where actually aliens exist, but they kind of put us in an environment like the Amish in a certain time and do not expose us to what's going on out there. So they, we're pets.

And then that spurred a bunch of Fermi solutions. So there's, I don't know, you can find hundreds of solutions on the internet. One of them is the sort of house cat thought experiments where actually aliens exist, but they kind of put us in an environment like the Amish in a certain time and do not expose us to what's going on out there. So they, we're pets.

Maybe they're watching us and kind of enjoying what we're doing.

Maybe they're watching us and kind of enjoying what we're doing.

Stopping us from hurting ourselves. There's so many things, but one of the

Stopping us from hurting ourselves. There's so many things, but one of the

Things that I think is potentially a solution to the Fermi's paradox and one of the saddest outcomes is that civilizations progress until they invent technology that will lock us into infinite pleasure and infinite simulation such that we don't have the motivation to go into space to seek out the exploration of potentially other alien civilizations.

Things that I think is potentially a solution to the Fermi's paradox and one of the saddest outcomes is that civilizations progress until they invent technology that will lock us into infinite pleasure and infinite simulation such that we don't have the motivation to go into space to seek out the exploration of potentially other alien civilizations.

And perhaps that is a determined outcome of humanity or like a highly likely outcome of any species like humanity. We like pleasure. Pleasure and pain is the main motivators. And so if you create an infinite pleasure machine.

And perhaps that is a determined outcome of humanity or like a highly likely outcome of any species like humanity. We like pleasure. Pleasure and pain is the main motivators. And so if you create an infinite pleasure machine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think we live in the most interesting time in human history. So for the single mother that's listening, for someone who wouldn't be the stereotype of a tech bro, don't assume that you can't do this stuff. It's never been more accessible today within your work. You can be an entrepreneur. You don't have to take massive risk to go create a business, quit your job and go create a business.

I think we live in the most interesting time in human history. So for the single mother that's listening, for someone who wouldn't be the stereotype of a tech bro, don't assume that you can't do this stuff. It's never been more accessible today within your work. You can be an entrepreneur. You don't have to take massive risk to go create a business, quit your job and go create a business.

There are countless examples. We have a user who's a product manager at a large real estate business. And he built something that created 10% lift in conversion rates, which generated millions and millions of dollars of that business. And that person became a celebrity at that company and became someone who is lifting everyone else up and teaching them how to use these tools.

There are countless examples. We have a user who's a product manager at a large real estate business. And he built something that created 10% lift in conversion rates, which generated millions and millions of dollars of that business. And that person became a celebrity at that company and became someone who is lifting everyone else up and teaching them how to use these tools.

And obviously, that is really great for anyone's career. And you're going to get a promotion. Your example of building... a piece of software for your family, for your kids to improve and to learn more, to be better kids, as an example of being an entrepreneur in your family. So I really want people to break away from this concept of entrepreneurship being, this is your podcast, Diary of a CEO.

And obviously, that is really great for anyone's career. And you're going to get a promotion. Your example of building... a piece of software for your family, for your kids to improve and to learn more, to be better kids, as an example of being an entrepreneur in your family. So I really want people to break away from this concept of entrepreneurship being, this is your podcast, Diary of a CEO.

You started this podcast. by talking to CEOs, I assume, right? And over time, it changed to everyone can be a CEO. Everyone is some kind of CEO in their life. And so I think that we have unprecedented access to tools for that vision to actually come to reality.

You started this podcast. by talking to CEOs, I assume, right? And over time, it changed to everyone can be a CEO. Everyone is some kind of CEO in their life. And so I think that we have unprecedented access to tools for that vision to actually come to reality.

Yeah. So I tend to be an optimist. And part of the reason is because I try to understand the limits of the technology. What can it do is anything that we can, any sort of set of human data that we can train it on. What can it not do is anything that humans don't know what to do because we don't have the training data.

Yeah. So I tend to be an optimist. And part of the reason is because I try to understand the limits of the technology. What can it do is anything that we can, any sort of set of human data that we can train it on. What can it not do is anything that humans don't know what to do because we don't have the training data.

Of course, it's super smart because it integrates massive amount of knowledge that you wouldn't be able to read, right? It also much faster. It can run through a massive amount of computation that your brain can't even comprehend. Because of all of that, they're smart. They can take actions. But we know the limits of what they can do because we train them.

Of course, it's super smart because it integrates massive amount of knowledge that you wouldn't be able to read, right? It also much faster. It can run through a massive amount of computation that your brain can't even comprehend. Because of all of that, they're smart. They can take actions. But we know the limits of what they can do because we train them.

It should actually be a required thing, like cross-training.

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Yeah, you were telling me the story, and I want to get into that because it's kind of crazy.

Tell the whole story of how this wound up happening.

I imagine drone pilots, right?

And they went to like- How does your dad describe that?

How old was he when that was going on?

That would make a big difference, especially if you can get them used to the same controllers.

Because those controllers kind of become a part of your hand.

You know exactly where all the buttons are.

Right.

If you're a kid that's playing fucking Counter-Strike or whatever it is, Call of Duty every day.

That –

whole thing where kicking people out of Palestine is such an inconvenient story today.

When people are talking about Israel and Palestine and the conflict, they do not like talking about what happened in 1948.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The people that were waiting for food got bombed.

It's insane.

And no one wants to talk about it.

And if you do talk about it, you're anti-Semitic, which is so strange.

I don't know how they wrangled that.

I would imagine that just becomes second nature.

Dexterity, yeah, yeah.

What's up, man?

What is the thing with surgeons?

Yeah.

Yeah?

Yeah, totally gone away.

What do you think caused it to go away?

It's nuts, right?

Imagine if he didn't buy it.

It might be higher than 25%.

Yeah, I mean that would have been... Imagine if the same ownership was in place and then Harris wins and they continue to ramp things up.

We were told there would be no... Well, there's two things that are insane.

One is the targeting of migrant workers, not cartel members, not gang members, not drug dealers, just construction workers showing up in construction sites and raiding them.

Yeah.

Is that the woman?

Yeah.

What was her essay about?

It was just critical of Israel, right?

Good.

And that's enough to get you kicked out of the country.

Yeah, but they were making less mistakes.

Which I don't mind those positions as long as someone's able to counter those positions.

The problem is these supposed free speech warriors want to silence anybody who has a more conservative opinion.

I don't think it's entirely negative because I love games.

That's not the way to handle it.

The way to handle it is to have a better argument.

It is.

I was watching this psychology student from – I think he's from Columbia, but he has a page on Instagram.

I wish I could remember his name because he's very good.

He's a young guy, but he had a very important point, and it was essentially that fascism rises as the overcorrection response to communism and that we essentially had this Marxist communism rise in –

I love playing them, but I love them so much that I don't play them because I know I don't have any time.

First universities and then it made its way into business because these people left the university and then found their way into corporate America.

And then they were essentially instituting those.

And then the blowback to that, the pushback is this fascism.

So having this big Counter-Strike tournament in town, does that give you the Joneses?

Well, they're talking about forever historically.

He's talking about like over time, whether it's Mao, whether it's Stalin, like fascism is the response almost always to communism.

Interesting.

And that, you know, what we're we experience with this country is this continual overcorrection, overcorrection to the left, then overcorrection to the right to counter that.

And the people that are the rat, that's the guy, Anthony Rispo.

That's it.

Really, really smart guy and very interesting thing.

Jamie, how'd you nail that that quick?

Yeah.

Yeah, communism came first, fascism came in response.

Now today's left tears down norms and destabilizes the country under the guise of progress.

We're watching the conditions for another reaction build.

So you're at a 37% decrease in errors.

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27% faster task completion time.

Right.

Well, that was the outrageous thing that he asked people to do at Doge.

It says more than three hours per week.

Yeah.

People were freaking out.

Five minutes a week.

What are the things you accomplished this week?

He said, all you have to do is respond.

Right.

And they pushed back so hard on being accountable for their work.

But that's government for you.

I mean, government is the grossest, most incompetent form of business.

It's a monopoly.

It's a complete, total monopoly.

The way he describes some of the things that they found at Doge, it's like you could never run a business that way.

Yeah.

Because not only would it not be profitable-

the fraud would get you arrested.

You'd go to jail for something that's standard in the government.

So like that, I mean, imagine something like a pill you could take that would give you a 37% decrease in errors and a 27% faster task completion.

That would be an incredible pill.

Like you would make every surgeon take it.

Did you take your video game pill before you do surgery?

Right, without the big investment.

Hey, man, don't operate on my fucking brain unless you take your video game pill.

Well, what I'm hearing now is that young people are being told to not go into programming because AI is essentially going to take all that away, that you're just going to be able to use prompts.

You're just going to be able to say, I want an app that can do this.

I want to be able to scale my business to do that.

What should I do?

It automates the... But do you agree with that, that young people shouldn't learn programming?

Or do you think that there's something very valuable about being able to actually program?

Oh, that's cool.

Kids are such sponges, too.

They're such sponges.

My kids already know way more.

I'm like, how did you do that with your phone?

And my daughter will go, you do this, you do that.

You get the little thumbs moving 100 miles an hour.

Yeah, exactly.

How'd you figure that out?

TikTok.

What?

Wow.

Yeah, it's not good.

So this is the best case scenario future.

Yes.

As opposed to everyone goes on universal basic income and the state controls everything and it's all.

That's right.

Everything is done through automation.

I don't believe in that at all.

No.

Okay.

Good.

Help me out, man.

Give me the positive rose colored glasses view of what AI is going to do for us.

Yeah, just TikTok-ing.

It's essentially like TikTok, but video games, right?

Because TikTok is kind of this mindless thing.

Do you think that takes creativity?

And that's a uniquely human characteristic for now?

You're just scrolling through mindless things.

And now you're mindlessly watching someone else play a game.

Right.

That makes sense.

I mean, whatever creativity is, whatever allows you to make poetry or jazz or literature, like whatever...

Whatever allows you to imagine something and then put it together and edit it and figure out how it resonates correctly with both you and whoever you're trying to distribute it to.

There's something to us that's different.

Yes.

Yeah, that is a very confusing but interesting theory.

And then there's a lot of theories that everything is conscious.

We just don't have the ability to interact with it.

You know, Sheldrake has a very strange view of consciousness.

Who's Sheldrake?

Rupert Sheldrake.

I don't know.

He's got this concept.

I think it's called morphic resonance.

And see if you can find that so we can define it so I don't butcher it.

But there's people that believe that consciousness itself is something that everything has and that we are just tuning into it.

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Harvard.

Yeah.

Okay.

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Of course.

Anything interesting.

Yeah.

That's the theory.

Because that's also the most unknown.

I mean, the experience is so baffling that people come back and...

The human language really lacks any phrases, any words that sufficiently describe the experience.

So you're left with this very stale, flat experience.

one-dimensional way of describing something that is incredibly complex.

So it always feels, even the descriptions, even the great ones like Terrence McKenna and Alan Watts, their descriptions fall very short of the actual experience.

Nothing about it makes you go, yes, that's it, he nailed it.

It's always like, kinda, yeah, kinda, that's it.

Do you still do it?

Not much.

You know, it's super illegal, unfortunately.

That's a real problem.

It's a real problem, I think, with our world.

The Western world is that we have thrown this blanket phrase.

You know, we talk about language being insufficient.

The word drugs is a terrible word to describe everything that affects your consciousness or affects your body or affects performance.

You have performance-enhancing drugs like steroids, and then you have amphetamines, and then you have opiates, and you have highly addictive things.

You have coffee.

You have nicotine.

Nicotine.

Yeah, yeah.

And then you have psychedelics.

I don't think psychedelics are drugs.

I think it's a completely different thing.

It's really hard to get addicted to them, right?

Well, it's almost impossible.

I mean, you could certainly get psychologically addicted to experiences.

And I think there's also a real problem with people who use them and think that somehow or another they're just from using them gaining some sort of advantage over normal society.

And that's... You don't think that's true?

No.

i think it's a spiritual narcissism that some people you know what i mean i think it's very it's it's very foolish and it's a trap you know i think it's like it's it's a similar trap that like famous people think they're better than other people because they're famous you know what i mean like yeah yeah i felt that with uh with a lot of people who get into sort of more eastern philosophy is that is that there's a

Right, right, right.

And that's what they hold it over you.

That's the trap.

But that doesn't mean that there's not valuable lessons in there to learn.

I think there are.

And I think there's valuable perspective enhancing aspects to psychedelic experiences that we are –

We're denying people.

You're denying people this potential for spiritual growth, like legitimate spiritual growth.

And healing.

Yeah, healing.

The Ibogaine thing they're trying to do in Texas, I think, is amazing.

And they passed this.

So this is also with the help of former Governor Rick Perry, who is a Republican.

Yeah.

But he's seen what an impact Ibogaine has had on soldiers.

And all these people that come back from the war.

Horrible PTSD.

And, you know, suicidal.

We lose so many servicemen and women to suicide.

And this has been shown to have a tremendous impact.

And so because of the fact that a guy like Rick Perry stuck his neck out, who's, you know, a Republican former governor.

You would think last person ever

But because of his experiences with veterans and his love of veterans and people that have served this country, they've passed that in Texas.

I think that's a really good first step.

And the great work that MAPS has done, MAPS working with MDMA primarily, doing the same thing and working with people that have PTSD.

There's so many beneficial compounds.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know what long COVID means because everybody I've talked to that has long COVID was also vaccinated.

I think long COVID is vaccine injury.

That's what I think.

I think in a lot of cases.

Well, there's a detrimental effect that it has to your overall biological health, right?

I definitely think there's an aspect of voyeurism, but there's just a dull drone of attention draw.

You know, your overall metabolic health.

But what causes someone to not rebound from that and what causes someone to rebound fairly easily?

Well, mostly it's metabolic health, you know, other than like extreme biological variabilities, vulnerabilities that certain people have to different things, you know, obviously.

Well, yeah, metformin is one of the anti-aging protocols that Sinclair uses and a lot of these other people that are into anti-aging movement.

There's a dullness to it that just sucks you in like slack-jawed.

Were you vaccinated?

Good for you.

Good for you.

Well, there's a reality to this world that there's a lot of things that people just accept that you're not allowed to challenge that are deeply wrong.

It is watching nonsense over and over and over again that does just enough to captivate your attention but doesn't excite you, doesn't stimulate you, doesn't necessarily inspire you to do anything.

What?

Money.

It's the only reason why.

It's the only reason why.

The only reason why they wanted to make an enormous amount of money.

And the only way to do that is to essentially scare everyone into getting vaccinated.

Force, concourse, do whatever you can.

Mandate it at businesses.

Whatever you can.

Mandate it for travel.

Do whatever you can.

Shame people.

That's what I really love about immigrants that love America.

They know.

They've been other places.

They know that this really is a very unique place.

Don't you think that a lot of that is coordinated though?

That is the first fly we've ever had in this room.

It's not all coordinated.

It's coordinated first and still.

But then a bunch of people do the man's work for the man.

Boom.

Oh, I'm going to kill it.

You're a nice person.

It becomes a religious thing almost.

Evil people would have killed that fly right away.

But it's just this thing where it doesn't do a lot.

There's at least some pushback.

It's available.

It's just it's not promoted.

It's not like, you know, like, have you ever done Disney World?

I think in the future that will be the primary way people look at it, just the way, like, the way a lot of people opposed the Vietnam War in the late 60s, but it was, you know, you would get attacked.

And I think now people realize, like, that was the correct response.

And I think in the future people will realize the correct response is, like, this is not

Did you ever do Disney World in Florida where you do that?

Yeah, October 7th was awful.

Absolutely.

Terrible attack.

But also, what they've done to Gaza is fucking insane.

And if you can't see that, if you can't say that, and your response is, Israel has the right to defend itself.

What are you talking about?

Against what?

Children?

Against women and children that are getting blown apart?

Against aid workers that are getting killed?

What are you talking about?

We can't have a rational conversation if you're not willing to address that.

There's the Avatar ride.

Like imagine if that was happening to Scandinavia, you know.

Yeah, exactly.

The Avatar ride is Flights of Freedom.

Fights of Passage, it's a VR game, a ride rather, and you put on a VR helmet and you get on this like motorcycle looking thing and you're essentially riding a dragon.

Exactly.

That's exactly what it is.

You have people that are in control of large groups of people that convince these people that these other large groups of people that they don't even know are their enemies.

And those large groups of people are also being convinced by their leaders that those other groups of people are their enemies.

And then rockets get launched.

And it's fucking insane.

And the fact that it's still going on in 2025 with all we know about corruption and the theft of resources and power and influence, it's crazy that this is still happening.

Censorship.

And I think with good intention initially.

I think the people that were censoring thought they were doing the right thing.

It's unbelievably engaging.

They thought they were silencing hate and misinformation.

And then the craziest term, malinformation.

Malinformation is one that drives me the most nuts because it's actual factual truth that might be detrimental to overall public good.

Just like, what does that mean?

Are people infants?

Are they unable to decide whether this factual information, how to use that and how to have a more nuanced view of the world with this factual information that's inconvenient to the people that are in power?

It's incredible.

It's the best ride I've ever been on in my life.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

You're turning adults into infants and you're turning the state into God.

Yep.

And this is the secular religion.

This is the religion of people that are atheists.

Like you're flying around, you feel the breeze, you're on this thing and the sounds are incredible.

And we should be able to see people that are wrong.

You should be able to see people that are saying things that are wrong, that you disagree with.

And then it's your job or other people's job to have counter arguments.

And the counter arguments should be better.

Yep.

Debate.

Yeah.

And that's how we learn.

And that's how we grow.

This is not like a pill that fixes everything.

This is a slow process of understanding.

That's like engrossing, right?

But that's what's crazy is the elite group of people, I've met a lot of them.

They're fucking flawed human beings.

And they shouldn't have that much power.

Because no one should have that much power.

And this is, I think, something that was one of the most beautiful things about Elon purchasing Twitter is that it opened up discussion.

Yeah, you've got a lot of hate speech.

You've got a lot of, like, legitimate Nazis and crazy people that are on there, too, that weren't on there before.

But also you have a lot of people that are recognizing actual true facts that are very inconvenient to the narrative that's displayed on mainstream media.

It takes over you.

Yeah.

And because of that, mainstream media has lost an insane amount of viewers.

Right.

And the relevancy, like the trust that people have in mainstream media is at an all-time low.

Yeah.

As it should be.

Because you can watch, and I'm not even saying right or left, watch any of them on any very important topic of world events, and you see the propaganda.

But that's not what you're getting from TikTok or streaming.

It's so obvious.

It's like for children.

It's like, this is so dumb.

Why do you think people fall for it?

Boomers, man.

Boomers are the problem.

It's old people.

It's old people that don't use the internet or don't really truly understand the internet and really don't believe in conspiracies.

Like fucking Stephen King the other day, who I love dearly.

I am a giant Stephen King fan, especially when he was doing cocaine.

I think he's the greatest writer of all time for horror fiction.

But he tweeted the other day, see if you could find it, something about- Is he on Twitter?

You're getting this ugh, this dull.

Oh, he bailed on Blue Sky.

They all bail on Blue Sky.

Everyone bails on Blue Sky.

That there is no deep state.

What was the total thing of it?

something about the deep state but it was such a goofy tweet it's like this is like boomer logic personified in a tweet by a guy who really someone needs to take his phone away because it's fucking ruining his old books for me but it's not like i recognize he's a different human now when he's really really old and he got hit by a van and they're all fucked up but this can you find it

Because it really, it was like yesterday or the day before yesterday, I just remember looking at it and go, this is why I'm off social media.

I was trying to stay off social media, but somebody sent it to me.

I was like, Jesus fucking Christ, Stephen King.