Amy Matthews

You don't really munch it.

It's a bit Guantanamo, isn't it?

Yeah.

it's a small world or whatever oh my god yeah that's absolute horror film stuff but I no I think I don't want to be because also in every single one there's that little surprise drop at the end you can't be you can't be you can't be eating you can't be munching and dropping yeah not over and over especially not with a loose tomato on your plate a baggy tomato yeah so yeah no I don't think I am I think I'm floating okay yeah

That's quite a tragic image, actually.

Just bobbing in a boat.

In one place.

Yeah.

Can I have a guest?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Apart from them.

Chris Packham.

I think if I asked him about badgers and just said, off you go, he'd be fine.

No small talk, just as and when he thinks about something he might want to chat about.

Oh, dear.

And now here we are.

I actually, there was a butterfly farm in Wat Tyler Country Park in Essex that I had to go to as a child because I was really scared of butterflies as a kid.

Like the movement of butterflies.

And in a sort of lovely bit of...

90s parenting in exposure therapy my parents were like we'll go to the butterfly farm and you'll be fine we'll show there's nothing and I refused to go unless I could wear a balaclava so I'm just a little kid cutting about in a butterfly farm in a balaclava looking like you were mopping the joint yeah petrified put the butterflies in the bag it's not really going to work out