Ana Navarro

Being able to help somebody, it's probably the biggest motivator of my entire life.

She trained in something called neurolinguistic programming.

People loved our training.

Then everything changed.

Yeah, and they called it a cult.

How does a method designed to improve lives end up in a cult?

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I feel like my 20s was a process of checking off everything that I was not good at to get to what I was good at.

Oftentimes we take everything a little bit too seriously and we get lost in things that we later on decide weren't even important to us to begin with.

There was a large chunk of my 20s that I was just so wanting to be out of that phase, out of my skin, and I just really regret not living in the present more.

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So I'm Leanne.

Yeah.

This is my best friend Janet.

Hey.

And we have been joined at the hip since high school.

A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip.

Just a little bit bigger hips.

This is a podcast, we're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.

With all the snacks and drinks.