André Duqum

And it's easy to demonize it too, but like that is also the way we've learned to cope to get our needs met.

Correct.

When you're speaking about that relationship dynamics, I just think of how

when that pattern is repeated so many times, we're like in this position where we continually think there's an external circumstance that once it's fulfilled, we will be.

And I just think of like... Never.

Yeah.

What did you say?

Humility is taking your God-given place on the planet?

So like I think about...

the natural world and what has its own God-given place, the flowers that bloom and that naturally attract the bees.

Yeah.

I think that we're fundamentally most attracted to wholeness and not pretense being what you actually are.

Yeah.

And I think that also changes the relationship dynamic.

Just to tie a bow on that is like, when you realize and you see this dynamic that's playing out of chasing and being chased, for example, and then you kind of feel your feelings and then you be in yourself, it like...

that dynamic, the magnetic pulsion kind of back and forth, I feel like dissolves and then you can actually get what's meant for you in a lot of ways.

Absolutely.

good luck yeah then have a life of non-growth and see how that goes but yeah to me this like it changes the whole conception of like awakening and growth being like the turning away from the world right the go live in the Himalayan caves by taking space you can really observe yourself and all the stuff and

What I love so much about your work and also the embodiment of actually having a wife and children where you've, I've like met one of your daughters.

I can tell you have embodiment and you practice what you preach and that's evident in the children you've raised.