Andrea Gunning

Exactly.

And so, you know, they don't hold space for the fact that she didn't know any better.

She thought that he was making an earnest and honest living, you know?

And we often talk about

secondary betrayal, right?

So there's the betrayal with the partner, but then there's the aftermath with the community or the justice system.

Did your partner or the person that harmed you not get enough time?

And did your community turn their back on you?

And oftentimes we see that our storytellers have a really hard time

walking in their world that they're used to because people look at them differently and don't separate them from the perpetrator or the offender yeah and so that's a whole other side to it that we explore as a show yeah you absolutely do now does she blame herself and how was she able to kind of move forward a little bit and pick up the pieces when you talk to her about that

I think that sharing what happened to her gives her purpose and educating other people of what she didn't know when she was in her marriage and help educate and inform is really helpful to her.

And she has a great support group.

You know, wives of white collar crimes, they have a little support group together because, you know, you hear of people going to support groups, but you don't hear of hyper specific ones of something that you may experience, especially with betrayal trauma.

Yeah.

So she is part of a support group with other wives that have gone through, you know, their partner being convicted of financial crimes and experience the same thing that Libby has, which is shame and judgment and grief and confusion.

Because in many times their community has turned their back on them or, you

you know, has judgment and there is shame.

And so I think with that community, that's been really healing for her.

I think it taps into a very real fear and curiosity that the person that you love and trust the most could end up being a complete stranger.

And so I think people tune in out of that curiosity