Andrew Callaghan

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The Jordan Harbinger Show · 1156: Andrew Callaghan | Documenting America's Shadow Self · 20 May 2025 podcast

I think that most of the things they talk about are true, but it's just a matter of scale. For example, the trans sports stuff. That's happening. That's probably affecting a couple different sports throughout the country. But the magnitude of the broadcast and the way it's recommended on Twitter makes that 40 times more important than student debt or income inequality.

And you're like, what the hell's going on? No one can afford medicine. In 1990, it was so crazy. The average cost of a four-year university for a bachelor's degree was $9,000. And people were leaving with no student debt and an 85% chance of getting a good job in the white-collar sector. Now, the average cost is between $45,000 and $68,000.

And the average debt that people have is almost twice that. And they're three times less likely to get a job. That's a big problem. Let's figure that out. So when I go on TV and people say, I don't know if you saw, but there's a transition trying to play in women's sports. I'm like, sounds like something for the school to handle. What the hell am I hearing about this for?

But I'm careful to like cast everything. It's like just culture war bullshit because that makes it sound like the thing itself doesn't matter. For example, police brutality was a real thing. It dominating the conversation in a way that it did for that long on a corporate level made no sense.

Yeah. I'm just saying, like, even if you look at trans rights, trans people by state and a lot of states don't have access to the health care that they need, period. Women's rights. That stuff's real, too. That is the ability to have an abortion is important, especially if you're young or you didn't want the baby. It's a real thing. I'm not going to say, yo, the news is talking about that.

They're just trying to hop us up on some culture war bullshit while they're silencing the truth, because that stuff does matter. Like I said, it's just a matter of scale.

It's boring. I don't know if I want to hear about tariffs.

Yeah, like we were going to go to Harvard University this weekend to cover the DEI student walkout. Another thing came out yesterday. I don't know what the hell happened, but it's not happening anymore. So when you chase the reactionary fault lines of different Trump-related issues, you're always chasing yesterday's papers.

Yeah, I feel bad about that because the reason that happened is we hate shooting interviews in hotel rooms. We travel so much for work and we typically get these identical $125 Super 8 Holiday Inn Express rooms in around the country. And it always looks the same. Two tiny queen beds, maybe twin beds with this weird TV and the coffee machine and the mini bar.

And then one really bad piece of stock image art. And so we have this thing where like we can't shoot any more interviews in these hotel rooms because it makes us look amateur. And so we just sort of panicked and we're like, let's just do the bathroom. That's going to make people think. And now I feel bad about it because like it was an important interview.

But thankfully, the Z90 shot, which is the Zoom cam, was tight. So we try to avoid the bathroom shot. But I am, in fact, on the toilet.

So even this question shows that it was a good choice to do it in the bathroom. Cause like, what is he trying to say?

He's a semi sympathetic character when you get to know the story.

And I think part of the reason that he was pushing his family away, because think about it, the foreclosure was like, I think, 2017, 2018. He continuously pushed his family away for four years because he couldn't accept what had happened and completed the grief process to where he was like, you know what?

I took an L. I'm going to step back and I'm going to figure out what to do next and live life in a way where I can avoid this kind of catastrophe, which is hard to do because you have to swallow your pride. You have to forget about what was lost. You have to forgive enemies of the past and move forward. And nobody likes to be around a resentful, spiteful person, even if they were done super wrong.

It's just exhausting. Everybody's got their own problems and their own conflicts in life. They don't want to be around some person spinning out about, oh, fuck Bill Joyner. He's a piece of shit. So I think just that energy and that frantic negativity is part of what made them feel like, I don't want to be around my dad.

I just knew it was for a variety of infractions that occurred over a five to six year period of time. Just not paying clients back, overcharging hours, just different stuff. I went on his, I don't know if it's like Google reviews or whatever, but his former clients had left some feedback. And it was all like, man, this guy sucks. But some people said he was a great lawyer.

I don't think he was particularly like evil. I just think he cut corners and he got caught.

I just think he had bad spending habits. I think he didn't grow up with a lot of money. A lot of it has to do with how you're raised. Think about rappers or athletes when they get a $38 million check. Somehow it goes away in two years because they didn't grow up with people who were spending wisely. I think he grew up in a trailer park in Iowa or somewhere in the Midwest.

So like he got all this money. He succeeded. He's like, I'm balling. I want to prove to myself and to my wife and kids and community and family that I am the shit. So I need this big ass house. If he didn't move into a giant house and get 47 animals, he'd probably be in a position where he's a nice apartment. Here's how we're living.

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