Andrew Callaghan

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The Jordan Harbinger Show · 1156: Andrew Callaghan | Documenting America's Shadow Self · 20 May 2025 podcast

That's what his audience wants. A lot of his fans are the ones who engaged in the relentless harassment of the Sandy Hook families. And so I think it was very much like a creator responsibility thing. He hasn't fully apologized for it because it's also like if he did apologize for it, he would lose some of those fans. So it's a delicate balance. And I do think that, of course, that was horrible.

But I will just add that in there real quick, that that was the perfect moment for the media to use against him every time he says anything ever. So they look for disqualifying things. And that's one of them.

I agree 100%. I'm just throwing that in there just to explain that like the agenda against Alex Jones is for both horrible things that he's done and also to make sure that other things that he's saying don't get out there too. I see.

The HBO press tour of 2022.

Yeah. Basically, HBO, who was great to work with, set up a press tour and they gave me media training. And they said, here's how you're going to have to answer certain things. And I didn't understand why they were being so deliberate about it. But they told me they were like, I don't know why I did this, but I decided to do everything myself. the opposite of what they told me.

I wanted to see what's going to happen if I don't do that. So they were like, when you go on CNN, be very complimentary. They're going to ask you about your life. They're going to ask you about the film, what inspired you, all of that stuff. So I'm assuming the CNN interview was the first interview of the press tour. I go on there and I'm assuming they're going to ask me about all that stuff.

Immediately, I'm sandwiched into an expose about the Proud Boys. who I was still actively covering. So it's a conflict of interest as well. And Don Lemon goes, what can you tell us about the mental state of Enrique Tarrio leading up to the January 6th riots? And I'm like, holy shit. I'm with this handler that the A24 films had sent to accompany me. And I'm looking at her.

She's wearing like an N95. And I'm like, hey, what's up? And she's not even looking at me. People say they see red. I didn't see red. But I was like, you know what? The mainstream media is complicit in the division cycle that even created the climate for something like January 6th to happen, much like they were in the riots of the summertime. So I was like, it's not about that.

It's about you guys and Fox and this constant 24-hour news cycle that you're doing and these gymnastics and WWE political climate you're creating that's making people lose their minds and get fried in a time where we should be coming together to get over this pandemic and revamp the economy. And they were not having it. So that CNN interview was over.

And then I got word or someone told me that Time Warner C-Suite was furious. And I didn't know what that was. I was like, what's Time Warner C-Suite? And they told me that the same people who own CNN own HBO. And my press tour, aside from that day, was being discontinued.

I wouldn't take back what I did that day for a billion dollars.

Well, they got the pressure from the corporate partners. And that's the thing about economic interest is that it allows for leveraging and that kind of stuff. Like HBO is the homie. It's people above them who are like, hey, you have to act this way or you're going to lose your funding. They say follow the money.

Money, if you follow it to the top, you just get to a bunch of corporations who are interested in having a profit yield. And if they're co-signing someone who is causing their ratings to go down or challenging them, that's a scene as a threat to capital.

No, because, okay, I tell people this all the time. During 2020, the groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, who are the ones who led 2020, they thought that they were on the side of law enforcement. They actually thought they were a wing of law enforcement.

A lot of that has to do with some of the political theater that was unfolding in Portland in particular, when you had brawls between Antifa and the Proud Boys. Because of the 2020 defund the police, let's call it what is the fuck the police movement that happened in 2020, the groups that were defending the police... were very chummy with the police because they were also against Antifa.

So I would go to parks where they had Proud Boy rallies in 2020, and I would see cops yucking it up with Proud Boys. They were like chummy. They were in group chats together. They were operating as a unified front and a force, the men's groups and the Trump adjacent militia groups and the cops. That made them think that they could storm the Capitol.

Nobody who stormed the Capitol thought that they would get in any trouble. They were storming the Capitol with blue line flags. While fighting Capitol Police officers, they had no clue they would get in trouble. So it couldn't happen again because they were not ready for the consequences. A lot of people went down.

Of course, they're out of jail now, but a lot of them spent four years in terrible conditions in prison. And it wouldn't happen again because, for one, Trump can't run again to get them out of jail. But two, they realized, holy shit, we can go to jail for 25 years for doing something like that. They didn't think there'd be any consequences.

Consequences are what create recidivism for violent action. Consequences create the likelihood for a recurrence. So if, for example, 2020 summer could happen again... Because aside from a select few, like my friend Dylan Robinson, who did three and a half years in federal prison for burning down the precinct in Minneapolis, that's a guy. People always say, oh, Antifa had no consequences.

A lot of them did. But the vast majority of people did not go to prison for anything. So the riots could happen again. January 6th couldn't happen again because of the consequences. Law and order is real. It does make a difference.

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